Coinery

Bugger, classic example, I forgot M Gouby (remind me of his numismatic status again?)! Happy New Year, Paul (I may have wished you that already)! Time for a sharp exit, me thinks! And Declan who often has plenty of very high grade 20th century pre-decimal on the bay And you forgot Bob as well! Although I can sort of forgive you because he is mainly a Penny man and I know that doesn't float your boat Stuart! Yes, sorry, Bob! That is the problem when you adhoc on a bottle of whiskey! I think I'm going to knock up a word document in the future for occasions such as these!

Elizabeth 6d 281030455548 What do you think, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole? If it stays cheap enough, I will buy it to find out!

I never considered this before, so maybe it's also about personality, then? As I would never have got very far if, after 4 years of collecting, my collection was still only 4 coins in size and, due to my lack of experience, already half my collection were not my best buys! I do think that driving a few old bangers around first, before buying that Ferrari, can only be a good thing!

Bugger, classic example, I forgot M Gouby (remind me of his numismatic status again?)! Happy New Year, Paul (I may have wished you that already)! Time for a sharp exit, me thinks!

Aye (With one eye, that is) ! Happy New Year, Declan!

Google the names provided, and you'll find them all online with sites!

Staggering study, seuk! I have to say, the sheer number of Ob's & Rev's is enough to put me off the G3 silver forever! I guess the only consolation, excepting your 2012 image, is that most of the contemporary counterfeits are looking a little the worse for wear in 2013, and thank God for that! Happy New Year, seuk, and thanks for all you've added to my understanding of counterfeits this year!

I have to agree with you based upon that image! I recently had a supposed 'no stop after DEI' 1700 shilling (the thread's on here), which turned out to be a blocked die (which Spink's accepted, and proposed a change to the catalogue). At micro observation, this coin showed the stressings on the coin's surface of a blocked die, which would need to be absolutely perfectly blocked to avoid it (I would think); I can't see this on your coin, and I'd say it's even better grade than my shilling!

Bar the Cuban, that could've been Peter's post! Have you got two user names? Happy New Year Richard, I look forward to another year at Pre-Decimal High, if only they'd taught me this for the 11 years I was at school!

If you read the 1939 proof thread, you might find many good reasons to start with KG6, it would certainly be financially forgiving of the early mistakes you are inevitably going to make! My recommendation is collect the entire series of KG6! You'll experience .500 silver, CuproNi, Bronze, Proofs, Gold, Patterns, Slabs&Raw, etc. From there you could easily work backwards with your new found knowledge, in a denomination, metal, series, that you feel attracted to! I'd say you have the combination of financial forgiveness, and a pretty series on the brink of the climb, in KG6! It's also possible for a new entrant to collect at the very top level for most types, which is always the holy grail in coin collecting!

A very odd festive season this year, my wife who has been in hospital over Xmas came home today Then this evening, i get news that my brother has just been admitted to hospital So sitting on my tod waiting for New Year - large Scotch at the ready! Happy New Year All David AND my wife's WORKING in hospital, while I sit at home on me tod (though I am actually DRINKING whiskey, rather than waiting on one)! Really glad your wife's home, and I genuinely hope the news is good re your brother! Happy New Year, David!

You wouldn't be allowed that luxury in the Bonny Land! I've just been talking with my old Dundonian friend on the phone, and he's just been kidnapped by his two brothers! It's no wonder you moved to Deutschland! Happy New Year, Dave!

Personally I think it is 'Sellers beware' on eBay, tons of protection for buyers, and sellers dread negative feedback ... beware high grade coins without lots of hi-res pics, expensive historic coins without provenance, anything from China and certain other known replica exporting locations, and much more to be found on here. There are still bargains to be had for sure. I never thought of it that way. I think for the time being I'd rather stick with well known people away from eBay. And that is absolutely a good move too! We have many reputable dealers on here! It's not your average forum, there are contributors to the BNJ, authors of respected books, and probably a combined 1000 years + of experience amongst all members! We have R P Coins (Rob), Argentumandcoins (John), PennyCrownCoins (Derek [does that name ring any bells?]/Red Riley), HistoricCoinage (Clive), AboutFarthings (Colin) and, of course, Pre-Decimal (Chris)! I always hate creating a list, as I always forget someone! Most of the forum members here also buy AND sell on eBay too, perhaps we should have a copy of eBay user names for those who want them shared, and paste them up on occasions such as these? Anyway, move with caution, read this forum for a month, surf the above mentioned dealers, and don't rush! All the right questions are being asked here! I have been looking on the pre decimal shop part of the site and RP Coins quite a bit, just getting an idea of prices and what's around. Not planning on rushing, I just tend to read through things over and over Hallelujah, a serious man of coins! Happy New Year, Greg!

Thanks again VS, prepare yourself for a New Year 'Cat 'O' Nine'! Whilst I have nothing remotely interesting or academic to discuss with Graham(yet), I would certainly like him on-side (in the address book), if only so he might wait patiently on my ignorance of this series, until such a time as I can find a question of importance! As always with this forum, all knowledge is gratefully received!

Personally I think it is 'Sellers beware' on eBay, tons of protection for buyers, and sellers dread negative feedback ... beware high grade coins without lots of hi-res pics, expensive historic coins without provenance, anything from China and certain other known replica exporting locations, and much more to be found on here. There are still bargains to be had for sure. I never thought of it that way. I think for the time being I'd rather stick with well known people away from eBay. And that is absolutely a good move too! We have many reputable dealers on here! It's not your average forum, there are contributors to the BNJ, authors of respected books, and probably a combined 1000 years + of experience amongst all members! We have R P Coins (Rob), Argentumandcoins (John), PennyCrownCoins (Derek [does that name ring any bells?]/Red Riley), HistoricCoinage (Clive), AboutFarthings (Colin) and, of course, Pre-Decimal (Chris)! I always hate creating a list, as I always forget someone! Most of the forum members here also buy AND sell on eBay too, perhaps we should have a copy of eBay user names for those who want them shared, and paste them up on occasions such as these? Anyway, move with caution, read this forum for a month, surf the above mentioned dealers, and don't rush! All the right questions are being asked here!

Personally I think it is 'Sellers beware' on eBay, tons of protection for buyers, and sellers dread negative feedback ... beware high grade coins without lots of hi-res pics, expensive historic coins without provenance, anything from China and certain other known replica exporting locations, and much more to be found on here. There are still bargains to be had for sure. I concur with that Paulus! For example, I got my money AND postage returned through Paypal re the above coin! Statistics for me are: around 1000 eBay coins purchased, approximately 10 were unexpected arrivals (wrong coins, lies, deceit, etc.), around 5 of which I couldn't stomach (or easily resolve), and consequently opened a case on! Final outcome...5 proper bad egg deals...5 cases opened...5 cases refunded in full! As a buyer, I've yet to have a bad experience on eBay! However, yes, extreme caution is the order of the day!

I can see a faint suspicion of a stop between the shoulder and the A - could be a filled die? There's a faint amount of wear on the shoulder, but it's certainly GEF I would say. Unfortunately, my Spink is 2005 and way out of date, but that gives £1500 in EF so I'd say it should be £2k - £2.5k by now, but with an added premium for its being so good. ---------------------------------------- Despite what Dave says, it's certainly possible to post good pictures here, even with a 150k per post limit. Use an image editor : 1. reduce the resolution to 72 ppi (you don't need more than that on a computer screen) 2. reduce the size to around - e.g. - 600 pixels square (pictures don't need to be the size of dinner plates, just a few times larger than lifesize) 3. save as a JPEG and compress it to medium quality at best (it won't deteriorate after one edit/save) - the result should easily be within the 150k limit. Actually, your Photobucket image is only 300 pixels square, and when I brought it into Adobe Elements and saved it as a medium JPEG, the file size was 48k!! In other words, you've got plenty of room to work with. (Chris P - if I do a full post on how to do this, can you put it as a 'sticky' in one of the forums?) This is such an important forum aid, that's so patiently written about, over and over, that it MUST be worthy of a sticky post, surely?

Welcome to the sad gits club! Wife is on a night shift at the the local recovery unit, and I'm sat in on my own with Classic FM, a box of unfiled coins, a bottle of Talisker (already drunk two bottles of Henry Weston's Vintage 8.2%), and a 4-year-old in bed! How miserable am I? Happy New Year, chaps!

You'd struggle to find a negative comment on here, the author is a member and regular contributor to this forum! Congratulations on two counts...accidentally stumbling across a good book, and a great forum! Welcome aboard!

Great stuff, thank-you very much! Also, I have to agree, I've never noticed any changes on silver when using acetone, nor on full-lustred copper. However, I have noticed some sort of reaction with the copper on partially lustred coins (a kind of hue can appear), but this improves with a light pat with olive-oil. I do avoid using acetone on copper wherever possible, which is a shame, as this is the metal that has the most to gain from decontamination. Anyway, thanks again, have a Happy New Year! NB: I think the Spencer article is a must then, so if anyone has a copy available, or for sale, I'd very much appreciate it!

Freeman gives virtually all the G5 & G6 proofs as R18 and all the E2s (bar 1953) as R19, which is patently wrong. As always, it is a case of guesstimating rarities because readers demand a number. Spadework is required to establish the relative rarities and numbers for each year. So where is your more accurate source ? On my computer. Spadework produces information. e.g. Someone on the PCGS forum collected 1958 VIP halfpennies who almost reached R18 on his own. Knowing full well that there were other identifiable sales that were not his, the conclusion is apparent. As always, some rarity numbers are overestimates and others under. Whilst you can never achieve definitive numbers from catalogues, you can make a pretty good stab at relative rarity based on images from sales because most will be identified for what they are. At best, Freeman's estimates are taken from auction catalogues with only some of these illustrated because his work predates the internet making any number more unreliable. Inevitably some rarity estimates will be correct, but only by accident and intuition. I would be correct in thinking the VIP coins are the frosted ones, wouldn't I? And that it's these that we have no mintages for? Total proof coins are recorded however, is that correct?

Thanks VS, really appreciate the time, and will certainly PM you in a couple of days, once the mayhem of this period is over. I never dreamed I'd be collating the G6 series, but the currency coins are affordable enough to allow for early errors in purchase (The Modern Milled coins are a totally new animal to me) and, of course, there is enough material out there for multiple 'fine-tunes' with upgrades, for what I hope will ultimately be a very pretty raw collection for Coinery Junior. Now, it doesn't just stop there, as the elitist in me has also taken an interest in the greater prizes of the G6 series, notwithstanding the new learnings that accompany them (incidentally, is the Spencer article available to read online?) so, all in good time, the proofs and gold coinage will also be the order of the day, and these I will very likely collect encapsulated, or at least get encapsulated! 1) I know Declan mentioned the '39 proofs were in Coincraft, are they all documented there? 2) Is there a resource out there that catalogues the G6 series better than say Freeman and Davies, or have they got it cornered, apart from the breakdown of Cameo and micro-varieties that is? 3) Are there any other patterns out there, besides the Double Florin coins and, if so, are they catalogued or written about somewhere? 4) Was it just the VIP proofs that were frosted? Without wishing to spark any big debate on the matter, I have enquired before about the surface contaminants (acidic grease from fingers, atmopheric pollutants, etc.) that must surely accompany coins into their tombs and, being as encapsulation is a relatively new phenomenon, wonder whether we have seen the full implications of such things yet? I do like both raw and slabbed coins, but have some concerns that a fingerprint could slowly begin to appear over the next decade or so on an otherwise immaculate proof. This would of course be exactly the same for a raw coin, however, it would certainly be reassuring if the TPGC's were to actively degrease/decontaminate, or other such thing, before encapsulation.

To an old cynic like me, it looks suspiciously good. Absolute BU specimen. If it's genuine then it's a peach, but could it be a replica? Cynicism would be the order of the day for anyone looking at this, it does look amazing! Very difficult to say any more with such low-res images. Are you planning to sell it?

Wow, even with the pixelation I can see that's a special coin. You will need to provide better images, however, you can link to an external host, such as photobucket, and get some quality images up here for viewing! Looks magnificent, though!

Hammered copper AND hammered silver, I'd say there's a convert on the way!