Coinery

I REALLY like G3 copper, I have to say!

Does it water it down too much to go 4 ways? Who's going to co-ordinate it, get it slabbed and submitted at heritage? I'll come on board for the experiment! Don't forget all the other expenses, post, etc...post to slab, return post...post to states! Could be fun exposing the process however :)

Collected this Elizabeth I Milled Sixpence today (his picture, will edit in mine soon), and it's a very good colour, being only marginally greyer, but looking almost trace-lustre like! It rings nicely, and is about right for thickness. Weight is 2.68g. I'd love to know if anyone has, or knows of, a genuine coin with the obvious reverse die defects at the 3 o'clock arm, and the bottom right field? There are a number of coins out there with these flaws, one coming up on eBay in the next 24hrs, which doesn't look quite 100%, but who knows? The obverse of mine has major die-rotation, but all the outer bust lines meet the lettering in the same place, initially suggesting these may have been hammered or milled???

Sorry, tell a lie. It is MS67 after all ~ was looking at the wrong bit. The right one is here Extraordinary. And it's sitting at $625 thats 385 GBP crazy coin world I'd have said £300 absolute tops, and even that would be generous given its appearance!!! Clearly a business opportunity. Buy any unattractive big numbered slab at fair value and consign via Heritage. Could work wonders for the UK's balance of payments. On the question of the grade though, I still wonder how they get to MS67 with the obvious rim mark. The coin isn't heavy enough to have suffered the defect falling into the hopper. It has to be post Mint damage. I think the business opportunity comes from buying a raw coin, getting it slabbed by PCGS etc then shipping it over to heritage for a 4 fold increase in price. Everyone's a winner, i get 4x what i paid and an American gets a slabbed coin In the Spink 2013, back page, it gives you advice how to join PCGS Europe and have your coins graded/slabbed in Paris where their new office is. I may just do that and get some coins slabbed and shipped out to Heritage www.pcgseurope.com you have to join the collectors club to be able to submit the coins yourself any time of the year, you also get the first 8 coins slabbed free if you join the diamond club, 4 coins for the lowest entry level Heritage are the way to go! Elizabeth I slabs sell for a silly amount over there! Whenever I'm searching google images for particular coins, if I ever find a Heritage image, I always 'go in' for a look, just for the $$$ wow factor! Don't Heritage actually offer the slabbing process as part of their service, or did I just dream that one day?

What a muppet, only just dawned it's the slab grips! Doh! I'm really going to have to give up with this iPhone grading/identification lark!

I guess you would expect it to be well up there on grade alone, taking into account the ribbon tie is only weak-strike, likely as a result of metal being pressed elsewhere, due to the rim defects (is it ex mount)? I'm presuming they mutilated it on account of the defects?

You might want to Pass in the link to coincommunity forum Peter of the 1864 florin, especially to andyg and Point out that its also from China and not some other foreign field. I know how he hates to be wrong, but this time we're right. I'd do it myself but the prix banned me for f all Barred! Well, Dave, you DO surprise me! You should be proud!

Christ, it's really sad for the collector!

There are so many fakes on the Pre-decimal website that it makes me wonder whether Chris is the 'M' behind it all!

I agree and would also ask where did he get the coin from in the first instance, in essence it is an expensive grading lesson for the person who submitted the coin. It would be interesting to know what grade he was expecting it to come back at? I would also guess that Joe public will also now and then unwittingly find a coin in a draw, loft or somewhere else, and via the words google coin and authentication will end up at CGS. I have multiple queries most days from people who find a farthing of some sort and often expect that due to its age it must be worth a few bob!! I could see a few ropey coins making their way into the system that way Excellent point! Maybe that submitter thought he was sending off an UNC farthing? Maybe even bought it as an UNC?

Okay I will, thanks Dave, Stuart, Peter! I have laid out the princely sum of just under a tenner so far, so I don't feel I should have done it earlier!! I have about 10 books so far but none about hammered specifically ... Books are invaluable Stuart, especially if you intend to collect the subject. What we need though is a modern day book of fakes, i think that would be a best seller, outstripping even Harry Potter lol That would be even harder to keep up with than the new discoveries of the hammered farthing series! A dedicated web-resource would be good though! One that is actually useful, easy to navigate, and WORKS (that rules out the forgery network site IMO)!

Hear, hear...compliments of the season to you sword!

Me too, Sword!

You really should, Paul, it's only the price of 1 basic farthing! Also, you can't really collect hammered farthings using the Spink catalogue, you'd be missing out on so much! The way I look at buying coin books is this! You only have to single out 1 single rarity, and get to buy it at regular money, then the book pays for itself! I forget which coin it was now, but even my copy of the BMC exposed something that justified its purchase within a matter of months!

Wow! I hate London, but the above half makes me wish I lived there!

It's an ebay snipe! I will be pressing that dig out when I get a moment! Really pleased with it, it's much, much, richer in tone than the images show, I still haven't mastered that side of photography, yet! You really must get Tim's book, there are enough varieties in it to make for a really interesting and pretty hammered collection!

Like so? LOL Happy Christmas everyone! Ha, Ha, nice one gentlemen! Yes, and compliments of the season to you...we're inside the 12 days now, it's kind of official, ain't it! ROFL. Considering Christmas Day is the first of the 12 days, I'd say you're a bit premature! But I like what you've done to your avatar 9 chocolates to go, that's less than 12!

Bob C, known on here as "RLC35". "Bob C" is underneath all his posts. Debbie must have mistaken the 'R' in RLC, for Richard as opposed to Robert. Ahh, well happy birthday then, Bob!

Like so? LOL Happy Christmas everyone! Ha, Ha, nice one gentlemen! Yes, and compliments of the season to you...we're inside the 12 days now, it's kind of official, ain't it!

The 12 days of Christmas it is then! 'On the first day of Christmas, my true love sent to me, a partridge and a Lennox E30c

Let's find out, then! Hope I'm not too late - but that looks like an obvious cast replica. I think you're 99% right, I'll let you know 100% very soon! This would be the first hammered sixpence I've seen, so worth having, if only to mark on my die template, against it's original, that 'crude copies are known to exist of this die'! I will be discussing a partial reimbursement in the likely event of a forgery exposure, or a return with full-reimbursement! After I've got it's vital stats and a nice picture, of course! So, there it is...a 1566 portcullis sixpence of Elizabeth is also 100% on the counterfeit list! I'd prefer to keep it, as long as I can renegotiate a price, otherwise back it goes! Camera's coming out tomorrow, so will put a few pictures up. Nothing to worry about for the hammered boys, this one is not going to catch anyone out! Nowhere near as convincing as the Mary groat. Next coin of interest is that Elizabeth milled sixpence, that one could stir it up a bit, though the obverse on it is a little corroded/pitted! The bugger's gone quiet on me, after saying 'sorry I don't allow returns,' so 'case open' it will have to be! Anyway, as I said, not that worrying a copy, though could entrap some if it was slightly more worn I guess?

What shocked me is that it was reported that he didn't have a Facebook page, as if that was a clear indication of a dangerous sociopath. Unbelievable. Absolutely bonkers, and very worrying what constitutes normal! You can hear the deep intake of air in the court room when they announce he didn't EVEN have a Facebook identity! Well, that's it confirmed, he CAN'T be functional, the Police were quite right to speculate he may not be normal after all! I wasn't sure, until they told me!

Just heard on the Classic FM news that Police in Connecticut have released a statement saying 'the man who shot 20 children MAY have had a personality disorder!'

As others have said, we'd need a look at this coin to offer any opinions. You can link to photos directly by using a photohosting site like flickr or photobucket James. That way you are not restricted by the size limit that applies if you try to upload pics from your computer. Or if the coin is offered by a dealer or auction house, just link to the listing. You should however remember that NGC is an American company. That they have only graded one such coin as PL doesn't necessarily mean that it is rare in this condition or more desirable. US companies generally only get to see a fraction of the number of British coins available. And some of them appear to have little experience in this field upon which to base an opinion. So I suspect that their views will, for UK collectors at least, be much less important than how the coin looks and how individual collectors rate it compared to other examples they have seen. That's what I need, some colour in my avatar!

I'd personally like the term reserved for coins that are perfect from a collectors point of view for type, meaning also that a rich-toned (without blemishes) g3 copper could also be described as FDC, though it's obviously not as it left the mint, on account of its tarnish! I think bag marks should not be majorly present, if at all, separating it from its mint-brethren as a 'lucky' coin and, I guess that's it, it stands separate from all other coins! We know when we've seen them! I once had a toned G5 penny that I felt I could call FDC! I wish I'd kept it! Whether it's an E2 penny, or a James1 shilling, you know what a perfect one can look like! At J1 level, I'd romantically like to think that you might have no more than a dozen FDC examples for a variety and, at the E2 penny end, for it still to prove difficult to find an absolutely perfect coin (even from unopened mint rolls)! IMO Peck, I promise you I was still writing mine when you posted your's!