Coinery

WHOOPS! A possible error! There was an earlier rose 5 used on the threepence obverses, but these were thought to be discontinued in 1562. Rose 5 also doesn't appear in BCW with the 322 legend or anything later than a '62 reverse. Either way it's a very unusual pairing (?mule), and a new rare variety for BCW, as well as presumeably an update of the chronology that accompanies rose 5? Here are the original BCW line-drawings alongside, I think it's a rose 5, what do you think?

I wasn't sure what they meant by "lettered edge, with bright proof like finish" and assumed it wasn't something to get excited about so gave it a miss. Now if it had been an edge error or upside down I would have sat up and took notice. Yes, it would be interesting! What exactly DOES lettered edge mean? They're ALL lettered! Poor bit of promotion on the auction's part, if it didn't properly distinguish a significant difference!

What do you do here, is there a link, or could you explain? What happens when salt is involved? Danger of disolving the coin! Isn't olive oil and patience the "OK" way to handle verdigris? NO! I had a C2 farthing in oil for over a year! It's still got one pea-green spot right in the middle of the reverse field that I can't 'pick' off.

Maybe it's a trick the brain plays, like on this Quite Interesting clip? I do like Stephen Fry!

Thanks Azda and Paulus. I appreciate it and the consensus (i.e. it's not just me). I was looking at Edward VII stuff today and for the life of me - the ear was incuse! Brain is saying - no it's not, look again. For something like that I know it's the eyes playing tricks, and I know to look away, give it a minute and carry on - but your coin beat me Azda, it was under the radar! It's the 3 pellets in the reverse quarters of the Long Cross pennies that get me the most!

and then it all goes streaky 1927-1931 - do you think that's production, or ore? I find ALL 1926s are dark, to be honest. As for streaky, I have pennies from 1921 to 1926 with very streaky lustre. But if you're talking about pennies without lustre, the worst offenders are some of the 1920s and 1921s - they have lots of brass coloured flecks in, which I'm told is due to the use of leftover gun shells in the mix, but some are just plain streaky. I'd not noticed it on the final issue George V though, do you have pictures? Streaky E7's too!

not just pennies, I'm sure. Here's my 1902 halfpenny and it matches your description perfectly, Stuart! Yes, unfortunately I don't have the images, or coins, of the two I'm talking about (peck), but they looked almost toy-money in appearance, like you'd imagine a matt brass proof to look like! Any ideas, then, what it's all about? I've had a route back through some paperwork...they were both 1906 pennies, I didn't really like them, I have to say, never fitted in at all!

I think we HAVE a metallurgist in the house! Interesting!

Thanks Bob, I was totally unaware of that obverse variation - will try and get a better image of the A in my specimen played with my new toy - a cheap USB microscope, on my 1860JA details of the N over Z, the recut O of ONE (hard to spot on my coin), recut R of REG, and yes I agree an odd A in VICTORIA David Nice toy, David, Father Christmas HAS been early! I really like this N/Z overstrike, it's definitely one of the prettier errors out there, adding that elegant downturn to the left foot. A nice bit 'O' calligraphy!

not just pennies, I'm sure. Here's my 1902 halfpenny and it matches your description perfectly, Stuart! Yes, unfortunately I don't have the images, or coins, of the two I'm talking about (peck), but they looked almost toy-money in appearance, like you'd imagine a matt brass proof to look like! Any ideas, then, what it's all about?

My brief too for hammered! AND Father Christmas drinks Talisker, you ask him!

It sounds like you've got a valuable relationship with CGS, you can never have too many contacts in this hobby! Good for you, divemaster, I'd be happy to have that in-ness with CSG, even though I don't actively collect slabs.

What do you do here, is there a link, or could you explain? What happens when salt is involved?

No worries, Bob I'd be very interested to see what they say about the Edinburgh collection if you find the time to post it on here. Here's how Michael Gouby describes the N over N Michael, a Z sideways is an N! I think we all know what we mean though!

Yes indeed - Freeman mentions in his introduction that Kings Norton supplied blanks to the Royal Mint for the whole period from 1912 to 1919. I had often noticed that characteristic 'redness' on pennies of that period. Now I wonder if Freeman was too conservative - you see 'red' pennies quite commonly also between 1908 and 1910, and I wonder if KN supplied blanks for those too? Do you know anything about brassy looking pennies of E7? I've come across 2 now, both full-lustre, but as yellow as a horse brass! Not polished, either, full-lustre!

They describe it as "N over Z (N over sideways N)" Bob, the history of the Edinburgh collection was described in Colin Cooke's monthly magazine for October, which irritatingly, I seem to have lost. Unlike the other collections, there is no preface to the collection on their website. It appears that it was sold as a job lot to Colin Cooke, who then listed them all separately for sale. Can't remember too much about the history given, except for the fact that the guy who collected them, aimed for the very highest quality. All are BU or nearly so. He didn't have all of the very rarest dates (no 1869 for example). But the ones that were there are absolutely superlative. In terms of bun pennies, they are a class collection ~ although it isn't just bun pennies, of course. Far from it. They can all be seen here Makes you want to give up, looking at that lot!

Nice example. I was going to point out that it was surely a sideways N not a Z, but Coinery beat me to it. However, if you were to write a sideways N it would certainly look like a Z, and a lot less to write! So N over Z is good enough I guess I'm sure Dave's knocked a couple of sideways N's out on his aye-phone before? I know I have, but I'm buggered if I can find them! Maybe it WAS a Z?

Die cracks are very common in the bun series, especially the early ones. A pretty good tool for spotting rarities from poor eBay photos though, I'd think? Get the year and one or two die cracks in the right place, and you could be home and dry? Could be a new eBay help guide (c'mon Scott, it was your thinking!), take a year, and any known die cracks associated with the rare varieties or pairings, and draw the map! You might be able to pick out a die flaw ahead of the microscopic differences we sometimes see in these coins...especially given the appalling images we mostly see on eBay!

Isn't there just the smallest bit of pleasure in reading about and researching a coin you're especially desiring? As an example I've already offered, if you were to think of buying a 'problem' shilling of G3 to add to your proud collection of early 19C silver, wouldn't a huge part of the pleasure in achieving that be your new learnings on the counterfeit's of G3? It's all out there! If I really wanted a gothic crown, the research into what's not a gothic crown, would be as much of the pleasure as knowing what is! Not to mention Peter's got a kitten ripe and ready to spray his Christmas tree next week!

Sideways N though, isn't it? Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, but I haven't got the books to hand! Really clear though, unlike so many of the 19C varieties!

A Sherlock approach to spotting rarities, I like it!

That would be a very disappointing AU if it landed on your doorstep! Unbelievable!

I'm nothing like that at all!

Are these new purchases, Patrick? A great spread, should involve just about everyone!

I can't remember if it was Rob or Clive that was a Talisker lad. You'll have to get a bottle in Peter, I'm afraid!