Coinery

In the first post I described the edge as milled which I thought was the pattern on the perimeter of the faces.Following your comments I now realise that it is the actual face of the edge of the coin - this appears fairly smooth apart from what looks like general knocks and knicks. The thickness is 1.1mm in the centre and 1mm at the edge. I believe it's starting to look like something that has been in the family for many years is not what it seems?!! Regards The smooth edge is not a good omen, you should be looking at some nice crisp diagonal ridges, the edge is the bit that most counterfeiters struggle with. My money's on it being a bad one. With an edge like the one you have, and the suspicions that already accompany the coin, I'd be looking to see if the surface tests + for gold and, if it did, and not a lot would like this, but I'd give that poor edge a light scrape to see if beauty is just skin deep! For me, it's always about calculated risks when it comes to pursuing metal integrity in these types of instances!

Gosh, this whole forum has me as suspicious as hell at the moment. The weight is good for the grade, however, the V in GeorgiVs jumped out at me like a sore thumb, I don't ever recall seeing an infilled letter of that fashion on anything else before? I confess to knowing very little about early-milled gold, but any chance of a look at the edge? Does the milling appear 'right,' complete with no seams etc (having said that, if it's cast, which it just looks SO cast to me, it wouldn't have any seams, maybe a filed/flattened area for removal of a spur)? Here goes old suspicion again...counterfeiters manage to achieve good gold-weight with thicker, or larger diameter coins, your's should be a 25/26mm coin. You'll have to forgive me, it's just my genuine-coin-faith is at an all-time low at the minute.

Surely, even if you wanted to sell in one bulk lot, you'd need to produce a list of what's there?

Got to be good news, then! That's very kind, John, thank-you! I'll just give the pictures a go for now, as I've got a feeling I'm going to be majorly groated out, very soon! Keep busy, and speak soon!

I've just been surfin' the site, and thought it would be good to revive this post for the forthcoming season's greetings, and christmas banter, whilst I remember to do so! It appears to be the first ever Pre-decimal Christmas thread, from what I can make out! It's interesting to find Peter there, gourmet as usual! So, anyway, Mer.... Maybe not yet!

Thanks, John, any chance you could email me the full-res pictures when you get a moment? Hope you're well!

Cheers, Dave! I'll send him a friendly note once the dust has settled/resolved with the 'eBay case' re this copy!

I 100% agree with your thoughts, copper123! There is a small Mary groat die-study on its way! I'm hoping to find a couple others of the copy to aid in recognition of good and bad alike! So, please, absolutely ANY good quality pictures of M groats, please PM me, I'd like to catalogue ALL the dies...it can't be that hard! That doesn't include your avatar, ski!

The 'patina,' Peck!

I personally think you've got nothing to lose, I would. However, the verd will stand out even more so on a lighter-toned coin! It should oxidise pretty quickly in a shed!

It would be something of a disappointment to make it to 110 year's old, and be given a polished penny worth, well, not a penny! What ever happened to a fine bottle of single-malt?

I'm sure's there's many on here, and eBay (BIN) who would give you a fair price. What have you got?

Something not quite right about it for me! Is this something we're going to get a decent image of?

Totally different dies to the other fake, Paulus!

I only know that Lithuanian Customs are returning any letters that they suspect to be carrying dutiable goods if they are not accompanied by a form CN22 (or CN23 if worth over £270) Talking of the CN23 has anyone ever seen one? I've asked in 3 different post offices now for a copy, only to be met with the face of disbelief! I've even turned over a 22 to prove they exist!

Yes and no. Research is always good fun, but have you considered the ramifications of listing all the potential double cut legend varieties in Spink or any other reference volume. Any, and potentially every letter on every coin could have been repunched at some point and in any combination with some recut several times. I suspect the only feasible option when carrying such a volume would be to attend the drive-thru coin fair. It's SO easy to get carried away with all these things, I know! And what's wrong with Spink's cataloging a 5/5 with top bit poking out, and 5/5 with back curve poking out beyond the other back curve, and, and...?

But omitted to mention the most obvious fault - the inverted bust on the obverse. 'WHAT!' Where's my cheque book? I did actually have a mini attack when checking it out, as I caught 'bid' with my thumb when scrolling down the listing! It was one step from being mine! Could've sat in a cabinet with a Mary groat

I can't see the images up-close on the phone but, my instant thought was, if Michael could at best say 'it MIGHT be' a 5/5, then you'd need to find some other very convincing 5/5 dies for it to be anything other than a '5' in the market place! If Michael, with his seat well established in the micro-market, can't give you a letter of affirmation, then it's a difficult one, to say least! Would be great to research it and get it in Spink's, though! A satisfying YES! Good luck, Paulus!

Absolutely no idea, Gary, but would be fascinated to hear about the concept behind the inverted bust! Doesn't seem a regal design to comission but, who knows? A lovely, mysterious looking, coin though!

I totally respect that area of collecting, and can see how it appeals. But for me I just love the historical context of Pre-Pre-decimal coinage. For me it's about 'getting in touch' with a generation whose footprints have quite literally shaped the land we now experience in their absence! All very arty-farty, I know, but exactly where I'm at when it comes to coins! The person that asked me about the £2 was so excited and enthusiastic, that I wanted to mIntain it by introducing them to the concept of this forum for the answering of questions such as this! I know I could have trawled the net, but how impressed was the enquirer to read a response from Paulus in such short time! Viva la coins, and diversity!

Chars!

"Ooooooh, noooooo, misssssus! Belladonna? Not on my proverbials, nelly, noooooo!'

May get £3 on the Bay Cheers, Paulus, saved me from a potentially (on the spot...pub!) embarrassing moment! Why is it expected that we know EVERYTHING!

Nice one, Seuk, sterling stuff, I especially love the presentation of the punches in rows, will be pinching that myself, thank-you very much! What is the proposal then, regarding counterfeiter? Is it that the fakes were prepared by the medal company, or that the dies were secretly prepared by a worker and then taken home? Or just that the punches were stolen? Are there any thefts recorded in police/court documents at the company? Amazing work, and the presentation is absolutely supreme, really inspiring!

Just been asked about rarity/value...anyone? Usual well circulated I believe!