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I’d argue that snapshot views are a dangerous thing. Does the leave position today correlate in any way with original campaign promises, I’d say not? Many have gone to their graves on the back of misleading facts and snapshot views, the hangman is testimony to that. I’m just asking that the government and the pressure groups all stand back and take a deep calming breath that’s all. The average 60-70 year old will know nothing of the long-term effects of getting this wrong - but my son will, and he has no say.

What, not in the feeling that this has all gone completely pear-shaped? And I mean that most sincerely...every side has been let down by a mess that was kicked up by egos in government. I’m no expert in politics, I’m an idealist, which I apologise for but, surely, outside of a war cabinet, this is as shambolic as it gets...for everyone? No-one is a winner any more, whichever path you voted for, and that’s the kind of united fatigue I’m talking about.

That’s the biggest part of what’s bad about all this, is now I’m feeling the snowball has got too big and we’re all, both leavers and remainers, running out of sensible ways forward. Surely the leavers never meant for this? In a very strange way the country seems somehow united in the chaos we’re in.

Ah yes the new universe division in progress already. The ideal is not on offer, it’s a fair comment, I concede to that, Chingford!

Re your first point I have no magic wand, but it must surely be a very different position today that the ‘leave voters’ find themselves in, that today they are in a position of putting all their eggs into one basket and just throwing them at the wall, hoping some will survive? We may even find ourselves in a position, if too many break, where a new expression of politics may rise up, as others abandon ship, that leave us with good intentions but no ability to actually govern a country. And the second point, Mafia is a state of being human. You will find it in every aspect of our natures being flawed, whether it’s Europe, or Britain, the school place or the work place. It isn’t cured by walking away, it’s tackled by the desires of people like myself who oppose secularism (not quite the right word, though its replacement isn’t coming to me at the moment for some bizarre reason). The EU for me was an attempt at working together, no matter how flawed it was. However I accept with the ‘them and I’ attitude that most people hold, that it will take a threat from another universe before we will ever join together as one planet.

For me it’s maybe a little too simplistic. You see we invest all this time and money trying to make the world a better place for our children (how ever miserably we are failing), plastics, pollution, etc., yet you wouldn’t want to consider the choices we are making in government today in the same way? I’m not saying we should give children the vote, I’m saying that when we are snowballing out of control on generation-long commitments, as it looks as if we are doing so, I just wish it wasn’t the ‘me and mine’ factions controlling what happens to us all. There is a moral responsibility to do the right thing for all citizens, and going blindly into the abyss just because we said we would a couple of years ago is quite frankly the domain of the insane, that this has driven us all into a state of ‘fuck it, let’s just do this thing and get it over and done with,’ is terrifying. edit: I use the F-word not in anger, only as contemporary slang language to express a state of careless abandon. ‘Cor blimey’ just wouldn’t cut it!

I would think that too, and with an event as big as this referendum, affecting EVERY citizen of this country for years to come, and possibly for the rest of the lives of those only just entering this world, I’d say the Government has a responsibility to those people too. We aren’t simply changing parties here!

I agree, that’s a very odd statement ozjohn. Debate is what’s going on here, and it’s a sensible, easy-to-read, way to present it. I can’t imagine for a second that Rob sees Chris’ arguments as anything other than food for further debate?

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That’s the exact bench I’ve always instinctively sat on, for reasons I cannot always put my finger on, but mostly out of a resistance to the ludicrous and dividing idea that we must ‘take care of our own, first.’ I’ve always wanted the world to be a better place than that.

This is interesting viewpoint from Germany.

Found it! Great resource for images, but you’d need to know your coins first before it could be really useful. It would be a massive undertaking now that they’re up, but having the class and sub-class on the images would be useful. Edit: Ah, got it...click on the image and you get a nice big write up. Well done, Dave, must have taken ages

I can’t see any specific pages for the Edwards on his website, though, and the FB link is broken. But I’m modern, I’ll track it down

Ha ha, not in the least, just too much time on my hands, that’s all! Is Dave’s page the FB one, I’ve not seen it?

Just taking both your points, would a collector in the late 1700s be interested in imitation pieces, as Besley suggests? Unless they were intended to fool back then? Seems a very advanced forgery for the time?

Well that’s reassuring at least. When did they get called out? Were they present in any old collections?

Mine’s an enquiry into whether these HCs are being bought and sold as genuine, I don’t have any fixed ideas about them, as yet? But they do seem wrong, even with limited insight. What’s your position on them?

I’m guessing then that they are all currently being bought and sold as genuine?

How many are known?

The scores are all wrong though aren’t they, they’re incuse on the flan, and not even present at all on this one?

As a first observation, can I ask the obvious? What are the score marks across the fields?

Any image handy of those base Yorks?

I think Rob may have been referring to die-making standards, as this had been the general tenet of my enquiry, though I’m sure you’ll have an answer regardless 😊 @Rob in view of the die never belonging to a crown I concede to the idea then that the large inner circle is nothing other than poor marking out, whatever the reason for that.

Loving the read, Rob, where’s your book? I clearly know very little about all this, but I still get the sense there would be time to ‘do things properly,’ if they wanted to? For someone whose sole job it is to cut dies, would they really make such a glaring error re the inner circle? I can’t get my head around that. Also, if they did, I get the impression there’d be an option to scrap it - I think they would notice the error really early on. Can you think of any reason why they haven’t just used a crown die by accident, or even intentionally, just to make use of them?

The 3a die looks to be different entirely, letters and single stop from wire line etc.?