Coinery

Get your long-provenanced coins now, why they are still affordable. For every known Chinese fake that arrives, get out and get yourself the first genuine example with a logbook that you can find! Rim nicks and dings will be king soon, happily existing as evidence to link a coin to an old catalogue photograph!

You can check the right coin is in the right slab on the websites, but how do you know it's not a duplicate slab with the same number as the genuine one that's sat in Lord Gotitall's collection in the Isle of Man? Until all the TPGC's insist on QUALITY online images, we are all as helpless as one another buying slabs!

definitely prefer the little-guys other Elizabeth coin!

Still nothing back from the 1578/7/6 ebay feedback links, yet, but another one ruled out at least! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Die-alter-Tudor-Elizabeth-1st-hammered-silver-sixpence-metal-detecting-detector-/271016390248?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D692517180695700122%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26 Something I've newly noted on my overdate coin is the double-centre in the bottom loop of the eight and speculated 6...still pointing in the right direction!

If it's for details like a dot below the I, then you can understand why TPGC's don't release their findings to the general public! Especially when you consider they may have this information whilst the dies are still active. One would presume, with the TPGC's financial investment in not slabbing a fake, that the last thing they'd be doing is saying 'hey me old China, you need to do something with that little hole in the field of yer obverse die, or you'll not be selling any more forty-niners!' Great work so far Rob and Seuk, been burning some midnight oil I see!

Then everybody will start playing safe and begin buying up all the old farthings and hammered! Prices will rocket but you won't be able to afford to buy any more!

He forgot to mention it was the 3 lions to date!

Will certainly give mine a count tomorrow, could be telling!

Cripes! The only thing is, though, it's still all speculation! I guess the only thing is to buy one dead on the nail weight-wise, with everything else 'right' of course! Where could you buy a genuine top-class Chinese fake of the godless? (without the obvious! )

My two 49's are 11.31 and 11.30, my gothic 11.34! Does anyone have a poor/fine example to hand that they could weigh? I don't think it would be too hard to knock 1/2 a gram or so off a well circulated example! Would certainly be interesting! I did weigh dozens of florins a couple of years ago as part of an exercise in buying scrap silver on eBay! Poor to good fine averaged out at 10.40g-11.25g so I'd guess a 10.80g coin would need to look around fine or less?

Hi Gary, I can't really make very much out from the image quality, apart from the obvious 'patchy tone'! Any more information to go with it? If you click on the link you will see the Ebay listing on the german Ebay. It is from a chinese seller and the description is in english. A Buy It now price of €79. The listing has now ended with no takers A shame though that we can't see it close up and paw over it for the reassurance of all!

what's the weight of your's Dave?

Wouldn't there be slight die variations anyway?

Hi Gary, I can't really make very much out from the image quality, apart from the obvious 'patchy tone'! Any more information to go with it?

With images like that Rodney!

The underlying stress-lines created, by what are immense forces, run deep into the metal of a coin! I know within the last year someone had the images of another coin (I think that may have been a penny too) up on the forum which had suffered the same fate...the underlying stress-lines of the border teeth were the subject of some interesting discussions, as I recall. Would be worth digging it out for a read! It was mine: Ah, there you go bagerap! Damn good forum, this!

The underlying stress-lines created, by what are immense forces, run deep into the metal of a coin! I know within the last year someone had the images of another coin (I think that may have been a penny too) up on the forum which had suffered the same fate...the underlying stress-lines of the border teeth were the subject of some interesting discussions, as I recall. Would be worth digging it out for a read!

I never noticed that! Perhaps that was the point of the bath, some hope of retrieving the underlying 3, such a waste

Looks like a regular penny that's had a long good soak in acid to me!

Ha, ha! He/she wouldn't be able to convince me in a million years that that coin was bent according to his write-up! Nice grade though, if it was cheaper I'd start wondering about chancing two bits of wood and a vice ;-) ! I'm not sure you'd impress too many women today by bending a micro-thin penny!

I'm starting to rather like these myself!

Lodge and beat booked for week of 1st October. 7 days and nights without screaming kids (sadly probably without screaming reels as well but worth it for the peace!). Glenlivet is already stockpiled and order for Cuban cigars about to be placed Glenlivet? Ahh, for that smoky aroma of Talisker, my all time favourite autumnal drink! Ouzo for Greece! My cousins favourite, his description "it's like licking an ashtray" Thanks for that, John! Hopefully I'll be able to put that thought out of my head before I next squeeze the cork out! Now now Stuart, what a man does in the confines of his own home should remain private!

Lodge and beat booked for week of 1st October. 7 days and nights without screaming kids (sadly probably without screaming reels as well but worth it for the peace!). Glenlivet is already stockpiled and order for Cuban cigars about to be placed Glenlivet? Ahh, for that smoky aroma of Talisker, my all time favourite autumnal drink! Ouzo for Greece! My cousins favourite, his description "it's like licking an ashtray" Thanks for that, John! Hopefully I'll be able to put that thought out of my head before I next squeeze the cork out!

I think you all have made some long and interesting points, and I thank you very much for all your time spent. I take every point onboard and confess that I am very quickly infected by the depth it's possible to go to with any type of coin, I do so hope to have the time and resources to one day grab a numismatic dark alley by the horns and shed some light on it! It's got me all o itchin' like a flea-ridden badger!

Lodge and beat booked for week of 1st October. 7 days and nights without screaming kids (sadly probably without screaming reels as well but worth it for the peace!). Glenlivet is already stockpiled and order for Cuban cigars about to be placed Glenlivet? Ahh, for that smoky aroma of Talisker, my all time favourite autumnal drink! Ouzo for Greece! Ouzo? Now you're talking! Just ice!