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I was looking at this one myself, it's actually pretty high grade, with little in the way of bag marks, and a superb edge, only a little bit of overspill. I had my eye on it for a retone, but not at that price! My thoughts too. What a shame it was cleaned, it would be very collectable otherwise. And bought at a car boot, apparently! I wonder if it would break their hearts to hear of 'what it could've been worth,' had it not been cleaned? Imagine if they cleaned it themselves to make it look more appealing before listing it on eBay? (

I was looking at this one myself, it's actually pretty high grade, with little in the way of bag marks, and a superb edge, only a little bit of overspill. I had my eye on it for a retone, but not at that price!

Come on Dilly, there's lots to go on here, what's your thoughts?

Lol I know where your coming from. I started on Edward vII florins then got a few of his shillings then a couple of vickys shillings then a couple of Edwards sixpences. Now I've just bought a Charles 1 sixpence You're all crazy! He says having also bought a Charles XII today, when he should be keeping the cash for his other coin 'research'! Apparently, if you call it research, you can justify it to the other half! God knows what I shall have to come up with for the Charles XII?

You've got that roving eye, Mongo! You've got it bad m'friend! I do love the warmth of copper and bronze! And I like the stark black against the silver of old hammered! And I like the soft golden tones over the lustre of later milled silver! And I...

How did you manage to post that? When I try to reply to it, I get "The number of opening quote tags does not match the number of closing quote tags." I've amended your quoted post to correct it, otherwise it wouldn't let me post. I do seem to have the knack of pressing a few buttons and breaking things, never to see them work again! LOL - but you didn't get a message when you posted that? Interesting, no I didn't! I do normally get warned off however when I'm cutting out links and text without concentrating! Strange! Can we call this one an extremely rare 3 over 4?

How did you manage to post that? When I try to reply to it, I get "The number of opening quote tags does not match the number of closing quote tags." I've amended your quoted post to correct it, otherwise it wouldn't let me post. I do seem to have the knack of pressing a few buttons and breaking things, never to see them work again!

Long tail Q, Davies rev. A Thanks Rob! I was actually just looking at the ones you have for sale, I might go for both types you have on offer. Then I will only have to find the long tail to complete the set! Cripes, are you micro'ing' already, Mongo? It's testament to the quality of this forum that you are even giving it a go. As I've said over and over, a learning resource like this one is worth a dozen books and more. Having said that, you then need the books! But hooray for you, great stuff. Your thread's really inspired me! The resources, the books.... but I also need the money! I thought the 1887 shilling would be a good place to start with something like this, as the prices are affordable for me. I am also looking into the Old head Victoria farthings varieties, with the help of Colin and his Aboutfarthings site! You should have a go at the Edward VII farthings too, that's a good challenge in high grade and nice tone!

Long tail Q, Davies rev. A Thanks Rob! I was actually just looking at the ones you have for sale, I might go for both types you have on offer. Then I will only have to find the long tail to complete the set! Cripes, are you micro'ing' already, Mongo? It's testament to the quality of this forum that you are even giving it a go. As I've said over and over, a learning resource like this one is worth a dozen books and more. Having said that, you then need the books! But hooray for you, great stuff. Your thread's really inspired me!

I've not actually checked out the correct punches for the 3, but looking at the tone of the coin and the areas surrounding the 3, I have to say it doesn't ring any alarm bells for me! But that's just me, of course!

NOPE! All looking promising! I did scan the web for the 8 over 7 and didn't find any matches! I don't suppose there would have been THAT many 8/7 dies either...any rough ideas on how many I would have to rule out? More Rob's teritory that I'm afraid. But there were two ebay listings supposedly for 1578/7/6 sixpences. Maybe email the buyers/ sellers and see if they have photos they would send you? http://feedback.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jerseyjohnjames&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=oldgroats&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&which=positive&interval=365 Now that's class, Richard, thank-you, will email them tomorrow!

A lot of the 1893 proof coins are toned that way, so it may not be artificially toned. Looks like it was photographed in an eighties nightclub!

NOPE! All looking promising! I did scan the web for the 8 over 7 and didn't find any matches! I don't suppose there would have been THAT many 8/7 dies either...any rough ideas on how many I would have to rule out?

Ok, let's for the moment consider it is a die flaw... So can anyone quote which variety? I have found some fairly close matches but not this exact die. Thanks There are many dies made for the same year, using individual punches, so you might be searching for a little while to find an exact die match! I agree with Rob, with my primary thought on the 'blob' appearance and location of it. All is not lost, however, as I couldn't see a stop after GVLIELMVS - could just be the quality of the picture. You'd have to have a microscopic look at it, particularly as it could have just erroded/worn or been weakly struck to begin with! Welcome, by the way, how did you come by it?

Meet me down the pub, I've got something to show you!

Now there's the rub, actually finding a CR-a sixpence reverse! BCW state there's just one single die known, meaning there probably aren't many surviving, legible, examples from it! With the reverse on my coin having the Cross over Eglantine privy mark, it must be one of the two reverses mentioned (unknown varieties aside), both of which are 8 over 7's...but one.........but one also has a 6 As you say, get an example of the CR-a single-die reverse and it's child's play! Anyone?

Sorry I'm all out of those. I've got the lads in China working on a new batch round the clock but I don't think they'll be ready in time. I guess it won't be so long before we see some you-tube footage of a factory floor somewhere, with a team of lads sat around with hammers? Thank God, for the most part, hammered's are unique enough that more than a few releases of the same kind would soon be picked-up Does this count as two entries

Thanks for the comments! If you were looking for an example of a particular reverse, bearing in mind there is only the one die, where would you start? This is where I struggle with all this, not understanding due process. Until I hit this forum I never even realised there was life outside a Spink's catalogue...10+ years of blundering around in the dark! Not that it's any lighter now, just more engaging! It's quite crazy how it all catches hold of you, I got quite excited to see Rose 18, on your top image, right alongside my avatar and thought, WOW, it's even orientated the same way on that particular obverse!

Couldn't make that an Elizabeth I shilling I suppose?

As a detectorist, just about anything can be considered "silver", granted, I use a cheap Garrett Ace 250 but aluminum cans will go off like a silver coin, copper-nickel will ring in as "silver" and gold rings will ring up as pulltabs. Anyone who uses a metal detector for metallic analysis is doing it wrong. I would believe Pewter would ring up like silver also. I have to say, this is my thinking too, but he didn't seem to want to budge on the situation. Another buyer bites the dust, I guess?

You've got a sharp eye for spotting the eBay irregularities! Presumeably he outbid the genuine top bidder, and then cancelled the transaction with himself, all ready to live another day in paradise!

Not me, no. I spotted it but I'm saving my pennies! And I'm never sure what ebay thinks of listings ending if there are bids on a item. Not that they can do anything, but a bid is supposed to be a contract ... It's happened to me dozens of times! I put an opening bid on something, just to keep an eye on it sometimes, and I can forget about it for weeks, until one day I spot it in my ended listings!

I think it's good! Yes, watching it, but it'll probably be bought OFF the 'bay platform, can't imagine he'd be able to resist the offers! Are you going to have a go if it survives the 9-days?