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Long tail Q, Davies rev. A Thanks Rob! I was actually just looking at the ones you have for sale, I might go for both types you have on offer. Then I will only have to find the long tail to complete the set! Cripes, are you micro'ing' already, Mongo? It's testament to the quality of this forum that you are even giving it a go. As I've said over and over, a learning resource like this one is worth a dozen books and more. Having said that, you then need the books! But hooray for you, great stuff. Your thread's really inspired me! The resources, the books.... but I also need the money! I thought the 1887 shilling would be a good place to start with something like this, as the prices are affordable for me. I am also looking into the Old head Victoria farthings varieties, with the help of Colin and his Aboutfarthings site! You should have a go at the Edward VII farthings too, that's a good challenge in high grade and nice tone!

Long tail Q, Davies rev. A Thanks Rob! I was actually just looking at the ones you have for sale, I might go for both types you have on offer. Then I will only have to find the long tail to complete the set! Cripes, are you micro'ing' already, Mongo? It's testament to the quality of this forum that you are even giving it a go. As I've said over and over, a learning resource like this one is worth a dozen books and more. Having said that, you then need the books! But hooray for you, great stuff. Your thread's really inspired me!

I've not actually checked out the correct punches for the 3, but looking at the tone of the coin and the areas surrounding the 3, I have to say it doesn't ring any alarm bells for me! But that's just me, of course!

NOPE! All looking promising! I did scan the web for the 8 over 7 and didn't find any matches! I don't suppose there would have been THAT many 8/7 dies either...any rough ideas on how many I would have to rule out? More Rob's teritory that I'm afraid. But there were two ebay listings supposedly for 1578/7/6 sixpences. Maybe email the buyers/ sellers and see if they have photos they would send you? http://feedback.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jerseyjohnjames&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=oldgroats&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&which=positive&interval=365 Now that's class, Richard, thank-you, will email them tomorrow!

A lot of the 1893 proof coins are toned that way, so it may not be artificially toned. Looks like it was photographed in an eighties nightclub!

NOPE! All looking promising! I did scan the web for the 8 over 7 and didn't find any matches! I don't suppose there would have been THAT many 8/7 dies either...any rough ideas on how many I would have to rule out?

Ok, let's for the moment consider it is a die flaw... So can anyone quote which variety? I have found some fairly close matches but not this exact die. Thanks There are many dies made for the same year, using individual punches, so you might be searching for a little while to find an exact die match! I agree with Rob, with my primary thought on the 'blob' appearance and location of it. All is not lost, however, as I couldn't see a stop after GVLIELMVS - could just be the quality of the picture. You'd have to have a microscopic look at it, particularly as it could have just erroded/worn or been weakly struck to begin with! Welcome, by the way, how did you come by it?

Meet me down the pub, I've got something to show you!

Now there's the rub, actually finding a CR-a sixpence reverse! BCW state there's just one single die known, meaning there probably aren't many surviving, legible, examples from it! With the reverse on my coin having the Cross over Eglantine privy mark, it must be one of the two reverses mentioned (unknown varieties aside), both of which are 8 over 7's...but one.........but one also has a 6 As you say, get an example of the CR-a single-die reverse and it's child's play! Anyone?

Sorry I'm all out of those. I've got the lads in China working on a new batch round the clock but I don't think they'll be ready in time. I guess it won't be so long before we see some you-tube footage of a factory floor somewhere, with a team of lads sat around with hammers? Thank God, for the most part, hammered's are unique enough that more than a few releases of the same kind would soon be picked-up Does this count as two entries

Thanks for the comments! If you were looking for an example of a particular reverse, bearing in mind there is only the one die, where would you start? This is where I struggle with all this, not understanding due process. Until I hit this forum I never even realised there was life outside a Spink's catalogue...10+ years of blundering around in the dark! Not that it's any lighter now, just more engaging! It's quite crazy how it all catches hold of you, I got quite excited to see Rose 18, on your top image, right alongside my avatar and thought, WOW, it's even orientated the same way on that particular obverse!

Couldn't make that an Elizabeth I shilling I suppose?

As a detectorist, just about anything can be considered "silver", granted, I use a cheap Garrett Ace 250 but aluminum cans will go off like a silver coin, copper-nickel will ring in as "silver" and gold rings will ring up as pulltabs. Anyone who uses a metal detector for metallic analysis is doing it wrong. I would believe Pewter would ring up like silver also. I have to say, this is my thinking too, but he didn't seem to want to budge on the situation. Another buyer bites the dust, I guess?

You've got a sharp eye for spotting the eBay irregularities! Presumeably he outbid the genuine top bidder, and then cancelled the transaction with himself, all ready to live another day in paradise!

Not me, no. I spotted it but I'm saving my pennies! And I'm never sure what ebay thinks of listings ending if there are bids on a item. Not that they can do anything, but a bid is supposed to be a contract ... It's happened to me dozens of times! I put an opening bid on something, just to keep an eye on it sometimes, and I can forget about it for weeks, until one day I spot it in my ended listings!

I think it's good! Yes, watching it, but it'll probably be bought OFF the 'bay platform, can't imagine he'd be able to resist the offers! Are you going to have a go if it survives the 9-days?

Rubbish, that's an Eeeeeeeeeeeee, everyone can see it clearly for themselves! What balderdash...pah! I don't suppose you could paste me up your source-link for that old text, or PM it to me, i think it's great and more than a tad beautiful? I have a plan!

was that a lavender blue coin by any chance?

About 4-5 months' ago! He said he's going to let me know where he got it from, a dealer apparently????? Isn't it a shame you can't follow these things up with the buyers anymore!

What's the likelihood of the eBay groat being the original the replicas were made from? I'm having a good long thread of emails going with its seller, who remains convinced it's genuine! It went for £50ish! It weighs 2.05g (so a tad heavy), but tests positive for silver according to his metal detector! Now I know these modern detectors are quite advanced, but can they mistake what I think is pewter for silver? My fake was too thick, filed at the edge, was soapy, etc, he said his is none of these things. I think he's genuinely interested in what's going on!

Me neither....hmmmmmmm I am just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I asked the question!

Excellent, I came very close to expanding upon that joke!

They only did these in Gold/Silver and Bronze. 200 Gold, 1500 Silver and 2000 Bronze, then the dies were apparently destroyed under supervision according to the little booklet that came with it Proof, if ever it were needed, that there is a God! Incidently, how did you manage to acquire the status 'not a God, just a man'? Are you in?

I'm still excited about the day that I can begin to actively seek out those magical and 'perfect' pieces, and start work on a collection. Finances have never, and still don't, permit me to tie-up thousands in a collection (not yet, at least, though I am beginning to see daylight). I am never sure where my loyalties lie in coins, but I do have a weakness for Elizabeth I (all metals), copper [any], and William III. Also, more recently I've taken an interest in Edward VII, Edward I and, shockingly for me, George V. So I guess I will evntually (when our narrowboat is finally organised) be flitting back and forth between the early hammered of Edward (the sheer variety intrigues me), the early-milled copper of Charles II, Elizabeth anything (gold, once I've satisfied myself I know enough about it), silver and copper of William III, some Edward VII and, when I'm skint [considering the above list, this will be always] but feeling itchy, there'll always be dear old G5! THAT'S THE PLAN! Though I will likely (very likely) drop off one or two areas that I'm struggling in (probably William would be the first to go) and focus on the others! My speculated collection will have my fingers stretched across a lot of numismatic pies, so I'll probably knacker myself up and get nowhere! Oh, and for some reason, I have a couple of one-off desires in EF...a Mary Groat (just bought the cracked one from Castlecoins [rockinghorsepoo], purely for the bust), and a Charles I siege piece please! THAT'S ALL!