Coinery

Not that I'm proposing this, but what you say is true...they're one of the few types you can fumble and drop without sh****g yourself! Not to be recommended, of course!

I've just snatched a raggy-edged penny, but with a very nice bust for £5! Good enough for my punch project, and nothing to be ashamed of generally! ;-)

Amazing indeed, that's what first got me into all this! Around 15 years ago I discovered I could own a real Elizabeth I coin for around the same price as a museum replica, about £10 back then...the same is still true today, albeit £20-£30 instead! I lived in Bath for many years, where i forever stood incredulous at the tourists paying £4.99 for a copy of a roman coin to take home to the family! You can buy VF and better for £3!

The word swastika is an ancient Sanskrit word (svastikah) which roughly transltes to good luck or well being. Since its use by the Nazi party, its original meaning has pretty much faded into the distance and more often than not it is looked at as being a racist symbol, quite the opposite of its original meaning pre 1930's. Some take the shape as being 4x letter L's. Love, Luck, Life and Light. Wasn't the swastika of peace the other way round though? I'm sure I remember hearing that somewhere before?

One of those big stones Debbie gave the link for? I've ordered one!

Apologies, Richard, I'm not ignoring you, I just haven't had a chance to use the laptop today and checkout your suggestions! I have been working from the phone today, which doesn't give me all the full website features, settings etc! What phone are you using coinery? If the iphone it has an app for forums called IPB, this gives you full website functions, but its shite when predictive messaging kicks in and you don't check it before hand Thanks Azda, yes an iPhone, will check that app out! Predictive text is a pain in the arse unless you're incredibly vigilant which, on a small screen in the small hours... The keys are really close together too - the number of times I've nearly written coon for coin is immeasurable!

I'm not selling, just want to know bit more information about it... By the way, how much this coin can cost? I think on the whole people are looking for 'types', whether micro-varieties or not (whatever's your bag with that one), but an oddity, a curiosity? I'd be spending my money on a similar grade coin that could actually be classified, linking one moment in history to another, that's how it works for me at least. For me it would be nothing other than an interesting discussion coin, I'd probably take off the coin I'm wearing, and wear that instead! Now, if you can find a 16/17thC oil painting with the subject wearing the 'famous double-headed sixpence', I'll buy both. Welcome back to the forum!

Of course clipping does reduce the desirability of a coin, but it's my thoughts that it depends very much on where the clipping is...essentially, does the clipped coin still have a 'balanced' feel about it? That's what counts if I'm buying a coin for myself! Two coins can be clipped by exactly the same degree...one is as ugly to look at as sin, and the other I would happily buy and gaze at for years!

No way! That's got to be a hoax; funny business, as my old nan used to call it! That cannot surely be a legit sale? Let's give it a go! Azda, you free? I need a model!

'an it harm none!' is another!

Apologies, Richard, I'm not ignoring you, I just haven't had a chance to use the laptop today and checkout your suggestions! I have been working from the phone today, which doesn't give me all the full website features, settings etc!

Ah, that's more my thing. Since I barely have enough money for coins let alone classic cars (Dinky or otherwise) I collect rubbish ephemera and oddities. Bottle caps (of bottles I have emptied myself usually!), fossils, beach pebbles, shells, bits of bone, religious medallions and talismans, four leaved clover and stuff people have thrown away or that catch my eye and imagination. Sometimes I make them into .. assembages. Other times, they just sit in a box. That's my man! Are you sure you're not living in a caravan too? Looks a tad hippy to me!

Available to all regular* contributing members for research purposes, and in-hand education. This coin was identified and made available to all by John Stephenson of www.argentumandcoins.co.uk It has been thought reasonable that a charitable contribution to the local Air Ambulance Service be made by any member benefiting from taking receipt of this coin (http://www.theairambulanceservice.org.uk/). Any who are interested in getting a ‘feel’ for what is a worryingly good 1905 fake, please PM your address to me (coinery) and I’ll post it to you, the more the merrier. If each recipient were happy to retain the coin until such a time as a new member requests a viewing, this would save on postage costs. I’ll always happily have it returned if/when there is no further interest in studying it. Comments from those who have viewed it would, I’m sure, be of interest to all here, not forgetting this will also be accessed by those searching for Edward VII counterfeit coins on the World Wide Web. Edward VII 1905 Counterfeit Shilling Weight: 5.61g Diameter: 23.50 Depth (taken at rim): 1.60-1.68mm The coin is low-grade, but well replicated (see D.E.S image below in second post), and is heavily bag-marked, with an irregular (lumpy) right obverse field. It is plated with silver (acid-tested+ on the edge for high-grade [probably sterling] silver), however, micro-pores in the plating can be viewed especially in the lower half of the reverse (see below image in second post). The coin has an unconvincing low-relief milled edge. *defined at the discretion of the current custodian, whomever he or she may be.

The line of bagmarks(?) running along the middle of the truncation looks wrong too. I would have thought that was almost impossible to achive in normal handling. It's almost as if the raised portion of the design is cominaway from the surface. 100% agree, no way for normal circulation, looks more like it's done a few rounds in a cement mixer! However, and here's the thing I find interesting, the quality of the detail, DES, crown jewels, numerals, etc, are all so well executed that I can't see any reason why the counterfeiter would opt for such a raggy surface if his intentions were to cream it in from the collecting fraternity.

Anyone think it possible that this might be a contemporary forgery, designed only to fool an Edwardian for the sum of, well, a shilling? If you took a random shilling from circulation, back then, and then went about creating your forgeries using the coin as your model, would it matter that you just happened to have picked the rarer type? A shilling's a shilling to a forger and the spending public! Where are the others? Maybe this is one of the worst ones, looking suspicious on account of a lumpy field and not the most amazing edge...I'll bet they weren't all like that so, where are the others? Maybe taking pride of place somewhere, much as this one did! Whilst the coin is very much exposed by magnification, in-hand you'd turn it over and over quite a number of times, it's very good! Why so many 'bag marks,' if it was intended to make the best price as a more recent low-grade rarity? The 'marks' must surely have been there pre-silver plating, as it would be inconceivable that the base metal wouldn't have revealed itself if subjected to such strife, post manufacture. Not a hypothesis, just a point for debate!

What? I thought that was massive! I've only just realised it's being hung from the gallows! Female engraver then! If this sells for £300 I swear I will dig out my old engraver!

I didn't think there was VAT payable on collectables, please tell me this is just Germany we're talking about? The buyer does not pay the VAT Stuart. UK dealers all work on the VAT global accounting and Margin Schemes. It means we cannot charge VAT to the customer or we end up paying the full rate on every penny we take in rather than on the profits we make. That's assuming that your dealer is VAT registered of course. No, I meant as a seller. In 1996 I had a little wobble with the tax man, and have played him at his own game ever since! If I as much sell a lightbulb to a neighbour, I factor in the wear on my shoes walking to his house, how much space it took up in my own home, to the toilet roll I wrapped it up in to delivery it safely to his door...profit .75p, expenses .76p! I am below the VAT threshold, but this doesn't always mean you're not affected by it. I had a scare for a moment, thinking there was a 7% figure I'd overlooked, that customs would come knocking for one day! Hopefully I'm right in thinking this is not applicable to me, as I've never used an accountant, not ever, but probably should one day if I wish to remain an ageing stress-free hippy!

I didn't think there was VAT payable on collectables, please tell me this is just Germany we're talking about?

Typical traveller type! Never to be trusted!

I wondered how long it would be before they made an easy killing on eBay! Bad news for Ebay's income I would think? Does this mean £1 listing fees and 20% final value fees to offset their losses in revenue, greedy bar stewards that they are?

That's a very good point Rob. Though I don't buy 10k coins, I have bought several for £1-2k+, which means that when I spot an example on eBay that would perhaps be a nice upgrade for a relatively common coin worth only perhaps £100, I might nevertheless stick in a bid for £150 just to be sure of getting it. This doesn't mean the coin would generally be worth more than £100, just that there's a fool out there (me in this instance ) willing to pay over the odds to save the time and hassle of finding another such example. I did this very thing the other night, buying an UNC 82 grade CGS slabbed upgrade for over the odds. I can't be alone in ocassionally acting this way! There's a lot of this going on! I bid £259 on a Elizabeth 6d yesterday, thinking that was ample over the top...lost it at £278.55 If anybody on here won it, can I have a picture of the bust please! ;-)

A very good point, that may have been overlooked here!

I think what they're saying here is 'ow, Burt, it's not fair (stamps foot on floor), why can't we just say NEF? EBay gets away with it, do you really think anyone would notice (winks eye at colleague)?' Godwin gets on the PC replying 'don't worry, I have a plan, and I shall say zis only wunse, let's use our new "eBay Price Guide" to set the estimate (winks at his colleague, and sucks back a little bit of spittle and pea juice from the corner of his mouth)!' So, the first official acknowledgement that eBay are the world market leaders is numismatics, who would've thought it? 'The eBay Auction Price Guide for Numismatists'!

Ahhh, ya big ole softy, Azda!