Coinery

Many thanks for this! I too carried out a similar exercise with the LC past sales’ list and, as you point out, the differences are spectacularly small for a phenomenal increase in final value. The way these coins wear and are struck is many, with the example I shared having a much better fringe and front hair band than many GEF examples, confusing the variables of strike, wear, and die condition, much more than usual. I think you’re right re eye-appeal in these middling to better grades, it’s the best guide in the end.

Many thanks 🙏

@pokal02 & @VickySilver much appreciated! VS when you say takes it down to EF, I’m guessing that’s a typo for GEF?

Thanks for the input, ‘Peck.’ The feel for grade overall appears to be around NEF...I wonder if it just shakes shy of that? I could of course be blinded by the light of some of the examples that have rocketed in auction the last couple of years, I’m not sure? What’s your thoughts?

It’s really interesting to hear you say this because I initially thought it could be too marked to be a great coin. Strange how your perception changes in the light of others’ opinions...I can’t see it at all now...maybe it’s all the ‘other’ crowns I’ve looked at in the previous 24hrs that’s done it, I really don’t know? Re the prices you suggest I think that’s true from all I’ve been seeing...I wonder if we’ll soon be seeing these and indeed all collectibles crashing in the aftermath of the long-term recovery from Covid-19? I’m sure that question has been put to the forum endlessly this past year?

Thanks for the insights, John, much appreciated...especially to hear that it outperforms some of the HCs in similar grade, that’s really interesting.

Many thanks, gents...appreciate your input.

For those who have spent more time than I looking at these coins, what’s your thoughts on the level of contact marks for the grade? I realise these are chunky old coins that are seldom seen with good surfaces...However, are these ‘mechanical’ marks too much for you?

What’s the history of this one, Paulus?

Found it...it’s the same one he had for sale early last year. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/13607-counterfeit-elizabeth-i-halfpenny/?tab=comments#comment-190324

Just for clarification, when I say ‘I’ve seen a good number of these around,’ I mean a good number of types of counterfeit E1 halfpennies. There may also be a lot of this particular type around, I don’t know for sure because I haven’t had my eye on it for a couple of years! This one’s for sale by John Newman...IIRC he’s previously had other counterfeit (contemporary or otherwise) hammered for sale, and I think the idea was at the time that they were pretty obvious and he ought to know better. I’ll see if I can track that conversation down...otherwise I’ll have to retract this paragraph.

Happy New Year everyone. See a good number of these around. Contemporary I’d think, certainly not Crown coinage. eBay 353313505402

Lord, I just reread that entire thread 🥴

No other words for it...bloody hell, Paulus!

I wish I could edit the title...it was more a ‘I can’t believe I’m so out of touch that this now achieves 85!’

Exactly the answer I was looking for...thank you so much!

I have been out of the loop for a long time...do I remember it correctly that CGS reconfigured their grading against other grading scales, or was that just a dream I had? Is there a difference between the early and ‘late’ graded CGS pieces? I guess this is the question I’m asking! I’ve always been passionate about hammered, so never closely followed the grading posts!

Many thanks, Nick.

Here one I haven’t seen before - John Newman ought to be able to spot this one a mile off. Could someone on a PC put up a link 362952613293

Lovely example 👍

I will never ever believe that someone could buy a coin of that prestige and money, without at least knowing the series inside out, it beggars belief. In fact I don’t believe it...it’s eBay, after all, he’s bidding on that to install false confidence, that’s my theory.

I’d argue that snapshot views are a dangerous thing. Does the leave position today correlate in any way with original campaign promises, I’d say not? Many have gone to their graves on the back of misleading facts and snapshot views, the hangman is testimony to that. I’m just asking that the government and the pressure groups all stand back and take a deep calming breath that’s all. The average 60-70 year old will know nothing of the long-term effects of getting this wrong - but my son will, and he has no say.

What, not in the feeling that this has all gone completely pear-shaped? And I mean that most sincerely...every side has been let down by a mess that was kicked up by egos in government. I’m no expert in politics, I’m an idealist, which I apologise for but, surely, outside of a war cabinet, this is as shambolic as it gets...for everyone? No-one is a winner any more, whichever path you voted for, and that’s the kind of united fatigue I’m talking about.