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Absolutely, and how cool to have it acknowledged as a new variety in the future editions/addendum of Dave’s book!

Morning, Dave, yes I sold you that one, along with a few others, a very nice triple date springs to mind. Sadly I haven’t access to the other 2 15mm coins, I simply snaffled them from the internet without credit (not very academic I know) for the purpose of this post. I’ll take another look at the source to see if they are available for weighing and imaging for you. Glad we cleared it up...rooting about on coin sites, and digging around in books is just about my favourite thing ever. Have a good weekend!

http://www.galata.co.uk/store.asp?storeAction=showDetail&stockID=6511 I can’t get the link to work, but you can buy the book from Galata Roll over large image for zoom The Hammered Silver Coins produced at the Tower Mint during the Reign of Elizabeth I I D Brown, Chris H Comber and Walter Wilkinson, with photographs by Paul Withers. Published by Galata Print Ltd., Llanfyllin. 2006, the latest revised edition, 2016, with corrections and additions. PB 84 pages. A4, 210 x 297mm. Detailed tables of all privy marks, legend variations and die pairings. Clever detailed line drawings of bust varieties. Photographs in b&w of all denominations. Covers the English, Irish and East India Company coins. New. This highly detailed book begins with the a history of the coinage of Queen Elizabeth I. This is followed by tables of all 11 denominations of the English coins and their various busts, initial marks and where dated, their dates. Then tables of all six of the Irish coins and their initial marks, etc. Then the 8, 4, 2 and 1 testerns of the East India Company coins. Then there are enlarged line drawings of the punches used for all of the coinages. There is a bibliography. The book ends with five appendices: List of privy marks; Indentures; Records of Pyx trials; The research collection, and Estimates of the number of coins struck. Published by Galata Print Ltd., Llanfyllin. Silver coins of Elizabeth I. English silver coins. Irish silver coins. East India Company silver coins. Catalogue number 6511 Quantity Price £30.00

No they were intended 3d reverse dies, made with the large shield. I can’t post the reverses of the large flan coins now because i’m off the PC. Will put them up for you tomorrow. To be honest I think Dave had only noticed the dark shadow of the inner petals of your rose. In all fairness the outer petals are poorly struck up, damaged, and obviously very worn.

What are your thoughts, peops?

OK so here goes. Firstly the OP coin is definitely not a large flan obverse die, and without even looking for a die match I think we can clearly see that from the first of the below images, in which I also encircle the rose, which is definitely the large Rose 4 - the third coin in the row is also a regular flan, but with rose a 5 for comparison. The second row of three coins are regular flan 3ds which have the large rose 4 - I think the proportion of the OP bust, relative to the inner circle, and relative to the rose, indisputably show that it is the same type as the second row of images, namely a regular flan die with large rose 4. The third row of coins are large flan 3ds with rose 5 - from those 3 images we can get a good idea of scale to compare with OP coin. So I 100% stand by my mule classification BA-3B:a namely it's a large flan reverse paired up with a regular flan obverse. BCW lists one muled pairing of this type, but not this particular obverse legend, making it unrecorded by them, and rare regardless. The punctuation wasn't included in my classification because BCW don't use it, saying themselves that it has no significance, other than I guess in identifying die matches and maybe for further micro-organising the series? Phew! Glass of wine and shower - you might recognise one of the large flan coins, Dave? Have a good Easter.

I reckon that’s a large rose, Dave. Will come back with evidence that supports...in my opinion you couldn’t fit a wider rose in that field even if you wanted to! off to bed now, just finished night shifts, happy Easter weekend to you and all.

Bust 3F Reverse is Large Flan BA-a with lions 20 and lis 8 obverse is 332 legend, with one complicating factor for me, that the rose looks oddly like the large rose 4 rather than the smaller rose 5 we would expect for a large flan obverse??? if we agree the rose is 5, your coin is BCW BA-1B:a But I think it’s a mule BA-3B:a

Tch! Thanks, Dave

Really pleased with this farthing for under £90. Can’t say i’ve even seen a Bristol farthing, certainly not in this grade. There was that comparable Newcastle farthing a while back, but that went off the scale on eBay.

That makes perfect sense and so much clearer to say that re the crossover to 2b. I think the confusing detail is withers haven’t said this, they say faces 1 and 4 from class 1.

I’d say 3b. Although we can’t clearly see the detail at the ends of the collar on your coin, the profile of the collar on 3a is much flatter and wider, and of course goes around the back of the neck, whereas the 3b is far more deeply curved, and obviously shorter. I wonder how many 3a collar punches there may have been?

Ha, wouldn’t that be great, a beer or two! Many happy returns of the day, Peter...I’d raise a glass to you but I’m on night shifts at the moment! Will toast your very good health at the weekend. Stay happy, m’friend!

No it’s definitely a 2a crown

So my pictures aren’t a great deal better but I’m delighted with this one, I can’t find a better one anywhere, not even as a plate coin, so I’d be interested to know the scarcity? Anyone any knowledge of scarcity for the provincial mints? Any thing recorded in your notes @davetmoneyer @Rob ? So Withers Type 10 barred ‘A’ with long-limbed Es, of course that makes it North 3de

Definitely a 2a crown though, maybe an unrecorded face???

Well done Sir, a nice coin! Good work! I just can’t stop thinking that it’s face 2 though???

I had to hang out until you’d finished your steak, Peter!

It’s also muled with a class 11-15 coin

I’m definitely for Class 10, and whilst it doesn’t seem clear whether it has contraction marks, the crown is very much the profile of the low crown 10ab. legend says it’s 10ab - 15 Rule out 11 because yours has a clear left ornament. Rule out 12 and 13 because yours has a larger face and no crown matches. Rule our 14 and 15 because your left ornament is too high and too large, relative to the fleurs. So I’m going to stick my neck out and say, given the overall congestion of the crown, and despite the fact it doesn’t look to have contraction marks, that your coin is Class 10ab

I was amazed, I expected it to fly - I’m just glad I didn’t buy the copy I saw for £25. It was my intention to move it on, so it wouldn’t have been the most lucrative of deals!