Coinery

Who are you distrusting and why? I’d only put my own judgement on my list.

Yes, nice bit of research, Madness, you’ve put in some leg work which is always nice to see AND read. As Mick has said, even the dealers have off or lazy/tired days, and I’d say this was one of them for Michael G. Having said that, when you finally get this variety into print, you’ll be ahead of the gold rush with your regular-priced acquisition of the I/D variety!

I have been in this position many times, thinking that the exposed ‘black’ layer is revealing a different metal to the clearly silvered surface ‘micro-layer!’ my thoughts are...I have seen many similar examples from the ground (namely, looking this way), which leads me to firstly conclude they are not modern copies. Equally, if they were contemporary copies I long since rationalised that the material beneath a ‘silvered’ copy would not remain black after 100’s of years, they would have given up the truth of their base metal materials by now, as all base metal coins have. So, my unsubstantiated theory is...the process of mixing silver for blank flans in that period was far from perfect, and was fraught with contaminated ‘mixes’ that left layers within the silver that manifested itself eventually as we see your coin here today, and many others too! 100% straight coin for me 👍

Great tips, Richard. For what you started out with, and what you’ve ended up with, it has my vote! Top job! 👍

Richard, do you reheat them and let them cool naturally after you’ve finished?

Brilliant!

Superb result, Richard, well done, Sir!

Oh, OK, I might be wrong, but when I was reading about it on their site I got the impression the collection was being dispersed of over 5 sales, the fifth one happening last month?

DNW have auctioned off the last of John Hulett’s collection, apparently, and there wasn’t one in there.

Not unlike someone else I know on occasion

Thanks, Rob, yes, always a shame when knowledge passes out of this world unharnessed. A close friend of mine died a few years ago who could speak German so brilliantly that even Germans were amazed to find out he was English! I know it’s strange, but I couldn’t stop thinking about how that was taken with him, and what a shame that was. Odd I know! How did you come by John’s wants list, then, were you supplying him as and when you could? On a final note, it’s looking like the lad has something unheard of by quite a number of us, and that is doesn’t appear to be documented in literature or represented in any of the big collections that we can confirm, John’s the only possible exception at present?

Great stuff! Is John deceased, would be good to get in touch with him if not?

Thanks, Rob, the obverse is here, a shame about the damage on what could turn out to be an extremely rare coin. Do you know of any serious J1 collectors, I’m guessing they’re thin on the ground. The coin belongs to a young detectorist who needs a bit of cash for his driving lessons.

Can anyone shed any light on an undated J1 6d? I’ve read through a few BNS journals, but can’t find any mention of undated examples. This one is a PM mullet both sides, and should be around 1610/11 for a date if it had one. I know Elizabeth had a rare undated 6d, but anything ever spotted, recorded, for James? Any ideas, peops?

Really easy tool to use, you could've nailed your one easily. Called 'Farthings and Halfpennies Edward I and II' by Paul and Bente R Withers. Part of their small change series. You'll find it on Galata Books.

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This one, Paddy!

Withers 30b 👍

No

I’d agree around the £150 mark - don’t kill it with plastic, it’s still breathing life and history at the moment!

Only just picked up this post, but the original half groat was actually a much rarer 2 pellets over I I mark of value.

Chris Comber is a fabulous and generous chap, but I’d be surprised if he can add anything to the attribution of your coin that you haven’t read here already, but it’ll be great to get his insights! 👍

Can’t remember where it was documented now, but there were/are a number of different ermine punches, which includes the elaborate version seen on the reverse of the OP coin?

Will do Des, will absolutely give you first refusal! Will get the info and images together shortly! 👍

Yes, good stuff, Dave! 👍