Coinery

Just realised this is the glendinings sale of F Elmore Jones’ collection. Lot 1262 then I’m guessing?

But in all reality would someone who knew nothing about coins be doing that? I’m just trying to suggest that if someone’s knowledge of E1’s milled issue is so poor that they’d be fooled by a primitive pewter copy like that, then the saying stands that a fool and his money... Now if someone bought ‘this’ Elizabeth milled counterfeit I’d have every sympathy, because it’s easily done!

Ok, so a bad example to choose, but what about the other regional mints that spink price down against the London counterparts?

Thanks, Dave, much appreciated. I ask again, where is all this info. stored? In your own records, or spread out across endless articles? Will you be putting together an Edward I tome anytime soon? 👍

Any ideas why Spink should price, say, the Edward I Newcastle, York, Lincoln, pennies etc. lower than the more common London variants? The reality is that the values they quote could almost be added ON to the London price, then we'd be close. So, in the 2013 spink the 3b London is £80 in VF The York price 'for well struck, full flan coins' is £50

Difficult one as the collar and crown are not especially clear. Looking at Bente & Withers, I'd say these are as good as any pellets demonstrated in the crowns they show - spearheads are much larger and angular, so what do you think? I know some pellets are large and very round but, equally, they are shown to be small too. The collar...some of the images show very squared off collars, and I'm guessing mine would run across the neck but for the weakness? So, to save me looking for a die match, what do we all think? The old collector ticket suggests 3b, not that I ever go by those.

I have sympathy with collectors being caught out by genuinely good copies but, in all honesty, if someone gets caught by these primitive pewter copies I personally feel they should be zipping up their bank accounts and finding out just a little bit about the basics first. If someone turned up at the stock exchange and chucked £50 on a wild card, knowing nothing about stocks and shares, we’d most definitely call him a fool!

I’ve had two lacquered coins in my life...both ‘cleaned’ up with ‘proper’ acetone, which has a negligible effect on tone or lustre, mostly no effect.

Tee hee, my latest penny, King John!

Very pleased to add this John 5C to the folder. The Douglas Bayern collection, whoever he happens to be? think I’ll add it to penny acquisition and latest acquisition too! I’m that pleased!

That should fly! He’s put some lovely coins on eBay recently. Can’t fathom the pricing sometimes, though? You’ll see some great coins from him for .99p bid, then something bordering melt for £250 starting bid? Strange! 😊 Good luck! 👍

Aw, looked like a half decent coin until I spotted the crack in the flan! 😩 https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hammered-King-John-Silver-Penny-/391980732159

Hi Dave, have you published these stats anywhere, or are they only from your personal record?

Good luck with the Wiltons! Will let you know re the John, I use the same user name, so you’ll probably know anyway.

Quite amazing! Hey, D, I’m going to leave that H2 Tealby alone for now, I’m going to give that pretty John a go instead!

If you look at the deformed right arm/leaf, and the flaw in the 8 oclock field, they are present on them all. If you search the forum using 'fake elizabeth milled' or try 'counterfeit elizabeth milled' you'll get plenty to read. Hope you didn't pay too much? Was it eBay?

Mine was 2.68g

What a shoddy batch of Edward pennies at London Coins, some even making single lots!

I’ll dig out some photos of one I’ve had, might even be the same one??

It’s a copy!

I often see devices incuse! Takes an age sometimes to see them normally, then you can flick between the two after that!

That’s a lovely coin, Dave, what a price! You could have 10 of those for the price of that recent CNG coin I mentioned in the Plantagenets thread.

If it’s a UK buyer, it’ll cost just a whisker under £500 delivered for this common variety! Things are definitely changing for the best Plantagenet material. I’ve only been an observer these past 2 years, but the top end pieces are definitely outperforming book. Equally, there are a lot of Lizzies that I wish I hadn’t sold a couple of years ago! Phenomenal rise in the better grades!

You must be saving yourself for the gold dance, Non?

Thanks, Peter, it’s certainly stacking up the votes. A recommendation is half the work done! 😊