Coinery

@Paulus you've crashed John's thread!? You'll have a better chance with your own title? That eye-appealing coin will be making a deep hole in your pocket! ?

If you send me the best copies of the images you've got, Rob, I'll have a play for you!

You could use the cannonball diameter to scale the coins, maybe use the distances between the spur and the rump, maybe triangulate it with the cannonball too?

As the fake market takes a greater grip, the provenance could one day mean everything. For some of the big faked coins (the gothic crowns of Victoria and, say, the Northumberland Shillings, for example) if you have provenance that pre-dates the best of the copies, then you have gold. Don't throw tickets away, ever!

I think the interesting and stand out detail for me is the 'clover' shape that's around the location of the stirrup that you can see on both coins, though clearly it isn't intended to be part of the design on the ob C coin. When aligned with the cannonball it does fit well with the high rump of the horse in the second coin. Might be interesting to scale the two coins and draw in some of the key details of the first coin and lay it over the second? i'm guessing the weak cannonball shape on the second coin in not incuse?

That's excellent stuff, Rob, I really don't understand why more people aren't interested in hammered coins, when they are truly steeped in the magic of history in a way that the 'modern' era just doesn't pull off. looks like you've grabbed yourself a pearler, Des! I love finding the 'unread' symbol on the hammered section of this forum.

Great thread, we should at least get to see the coin now?

It's certainly on the agenda, Rob. I do feel I'll more likely be travelling backwards from the Plantagenets, rather than forward.

Not sure what the best offer was?

I can only guess that the buyer desperately needed a 1c for the collection? there does seem to be a rise in the prices for quality Plantagenet coins? I might've joined the party too late. Back to G6 it is, then! ?

That gives it some perspective I guess? Still far too much money for ugly coins, 1a or not! It's looking like a worthy example is going to sail way over £1.5k according to these two previous examples?

Grrr, can't upload the cropped close-up! Nice coin though! Edit: I can now upload! ?

This 1c surprised me too!

Totally nuts! Can hardly believe it!

eBay is definitely a gamble, whatever perspective you take, so I think you have to view the experience in balance. For me that means overall I'm up on the good experiences and nice surprises, allowing me to feel less disgruntled at the negative aspects. I think you have to use it regularly for the 'balance' to happen, you can get very badly burned by the occasional dabble otherwise. i confess I don't use it so often nowadays, and have become shy as a consequence. I'm definitely tending more towards the idea of coin fairs when the money starts rolling in. When you know what you like, eBay can be a struggle.

I'm off the fence and concur with Rob...3g, and a fabulous Durham example at that! Got to question our superiors in the best interest of academic rigor I say!

I've been looking at the class myself this evening - didn't get home until 10pm so only a brief scan before bed. I'm personally tending towards 3cd myself, though 3g is the other variant I also was looking at. I think the crown is the more elegant 3cd though, but will sit on the 3cd/3G fence until I get a chance to look at it more closely tomorrow. the S favours 3g, but is also occasionally found on 3cd, so the jury's out for me at the moment!

Heather and Steve (think it's Steve?) sending you first dibs are they? ?? £180? I really do like it!

Can't find it on completed items, either? Hmmmm!

Lovely coin, didn't see them put that one up. ?

It's certainly a distinctive R, not entirely down to a double strike I think. I believe we'll find it in part on other coins. We'll have to keep an eye out!

The limb of the cross is also slightly doubled. I wonder whether it's an attempt to sink a composite R using what's available? Is the curved leg of the R an apostrophe punch I wonder? The way to explore it further is by first finding (or not finding) a second example of the die, which would then highlight whether the letter is intensional or simply doubled? That would save any speculation from the outset...then you can better unpick what is there!

I love it that the close-up image of the 'round' beads exists only because of the verd obscuring the rest of the teeth! ?

I think you've already researched this way beyond any contribution I could make, Rob! Interesting stuff, though!

The legend certainly has it as a Treaty Series penny, what are your concerns? I confess to never having researched the edIII series in any great depth, so wouldn't know if continental coins existed for this reign. Time for a bit more reading! ?