Coinery

Nail on the head, Peter! ?

They know nuffin, TG, absolutely nuffin!

I 100% agree with you, and I'm guessing your 2 point grading system is quite simply: grade 1 - I like/want it! grade 2 - I don't like/need it! I'd have to add a third tier to that grading system, however, the... "grade 3 - holy mother of god I so, SO, want that!" ...kind of grade/variety!

I'm just grateful that, for the most part, the grades belonging to raw hammered coins remain blissfully simple.

Yes, even a claim of GF would have me returning to look at it over and over, before finally saying (at best) "mmm, ok, in some people's eyes...maybe...but there's no way I'd be parting with a penny above recent sales documented at fine grade for the variety." What a shocker!

As per title, what do you think of the 'n' in the centre of the first picture? Lombardic with 'junk,' lombardic but later recut to Roman 'N' or just a plain Roman N and the rest is my imagination?

I tried egg AND liver of sulphur in the past, but never got it looking nice, I could never get that 'thick' feeling of a nice deep, rich, tone, it always looked 'thin' and lacking the depth and shimmer of a nice old tone. also, without any rationale whatsoever the tone on some coins, achieved this way, would just wash off and look awful. ?

Thanks, matteo...here's a start here... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombardic_language

The same penny but, just wow! Twice as much? Goodness, it's nice, but not that rare and nice! 332374030945

That's got to be out there somewhere on a better coin for investigation. It's a definite something!

Just a little point re diameter...don't forget any metal can weigh the same as gold at a given diameter. Namely, the depth is also important. If it's got a nice quality milled edge and you can rule out electroplating by a combination of correct weight/diameter/thickness, then you're half way there. The other half would be design irregularities, and brass, which doesn't tone, or even look like gold unless it's highly polished. A good set of well-calibrated scales will certainly help put your mind at rest. You will seldom find 'modern' gold overweight, if ever. I'm no gold expert, but I've never seen an overweight sovereign.

Ha, that's the one I'm talking about! I bid £123, he won it for £125! 263057398496

Must be trying to impress a posh girl in the local pub with his antiques' trading! ?

Didn't stay on eBay for very long! ? I was reading my old thread on my own Edward Class 1d - you got what you were after, then? Did you see that superb high-class Bristol penny back a bit? Beautiful! I bid about £125 I think it was...did you win that? My example 1d

And I rest my case re the class 1 coins of Edward (as talked about in the Baldwin thread). Nice penny, have you got the reverse handy?

I'm guessing Rob would know? Would be interesting to hear Neil's thoughts on the grade for this one, especially if the grade were to include the issues, as seems fashionable nowadays.

Apart from its massive grade failing, it's also encrusted, corroded, previously creased, scoured, and totally uninspiring as a coin. most of the class 1 coins I've seen so far have mostly been full-round and well and centrally struck, and mostly they generally seem to wear evenly, leaving a mostly clear and eye-pleasing coin, so it's not unusual or a stand-out example in that respect either! It could barely handle any other problems without being delegated to gap filler. It's a hammer price I'll be very much interested in.

Do expand the image...it's shocking up close and personal! Just as a point of interest, this is the same image I couldn't post earlier!

? I'm saving up for the G4 farthing! Brilliant!

Decent coin! No idea about rust removal but, if it's any consolation, I also struggle to add the correct size images on occasions. Very hit and miss!

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Aye, 'tis true, Rob, you're right of course! It's an historic castle that I really need!

Absolutely love items like this! I've seriously got to sit on my hands at the auctions! look forward to seeing pictures of the 'sensitively' restored item. I personally think little is more when it comes to restoration of items that were never meant to look glamourous in the first place. It's a difficult balance to get right, where it is finished, yet still carries with it the weight of its age and history. i keep promising myself a Tudor coffer chest, they're remarkable affordable. Occasionally you can even find them with the original date and betroval chiselled into them. Love history!

Goodness, only just picked this up. So sorry for your loss, David. The words we all variously conjour up to connect with you is not the important detail; more important is the fact we, and so many others, have all wanted to reach out to you...that's what really counts in life, m'friend! Stay safe out there! Blessings ?

That's truly blood boiling! We're going to find this kind of abuse happening over and over again, to what will amount to, in most cases, decades of backed up data. As this kind of thing happens more and more, and they chuck in a few task-orientated 'updates' to keep us busy or befuddled, there will come a point when we haven't either the time or capacity to manage it, so we will then just have to choicelessly hand over the cash for a peaceful life! Seriously unethical. We get focused on ridding ourselves of one kind of piracy, energy provision, monopolies, etc., and new ones enter the back door at an ever increasing rate. my particular bugbear is mobile phone companies who can hold you to ransom on a contract, yet 'ethically' breach it endlessly themselves with poor service and endless price increases, which ultimately you cannot then say no to! Give me an island, a bag of seeds, and a bow and arrow!