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What convinces everyone that this is a B with a straight edged bottom loop? Wouldn't it also be a little small for a B? Just curious!

A great resource i heartily agree!

Whilst the tooling in this particular instance is intentional and not meant to deceive, I thought some close-up images of the fields on John's Victorian Penny was worth posting here, if only so that benefit could be gained from the realisation that the missing Trident Staff, Shield (where the carver in this instance has created a NEW, amazingly level, field), and Bun, could equally be a missing dot, colon, serif, absolutely anything, actually!

Well, there was this penny post, right, and then there was this post about pennies (which was different because it had 'ies' in it), and then there was something about CGS and a little bit of general TPGC discussion, and... Well, that should bring you up to date, really! Probably just around where you left off?

So, do we reckon this guy/gal could take an H out for us?

and, close your eyes...

Best I can do, as I didn't end up taking full images of the coin. Great skill, though!

hardly a week goes by! Great feedback too! What amazes me most about this regularly appearing 3d is the consistency with which it gets called a sixpence. Perhaps it says sixpence on the original Alibaba packaging?

Yay, some hammered farthing (not penny) banter coming on! Hope you're well, Happy New Year to you and your's, by the way! Good to have you checking back in again!

Chilled! 'Over and out!'

Going strong for a 4-year-old post!

The argument of it possibly being a clogged H is quite simply that some junk got into the tiny impressed H on the die...the rest is history. This wouldn't matter whether it was the first or the 50th coin off the production line. Namely, it wouldn't depend upon any circulation wear to exist, though the phenomenon would be better disguised on a circulated coin without doubt who knows, and this will out one day...it may have been a clog that was spotted and cleared (or re-lettered) quite quickly at the mint? Who knows? I think the jury is out at the moment, but this'll still make it a rare and important penny variety, like so many other clogs and flaws of the penny series. There are enough people interested in this variety that we shall all know about its properly evidenced verification very soon. penny varieties are beginning to dry up, which means some very serious people are looking at what's left out there. not me, though! however: I do fancy an 'anything goes' collection of Victoria in the future, to keep my eye in on the milled, once the EII pennies begin to trickle back in again. i think that's enough coin whoring for one lifetime...to finish up with any Plantagenets, Elizabeth I gold, and any Victorian coinage (all metals) is a good final resting place, covering every budget of most people's journey through life! how exciting!

OK, just to play devil's advocate, let's say the coin was sent off and CGS unquestionably sent it back as a no-H variety, would we all accept that as valid, done and dusted, when MG, Bamford, et al. (et al. meaning all of us and our own insights and presented evidence) could not conclude on it? i know my TPGC position is well known, so I apologise when I say £14.50 does not answer the question at all, not ever. I'm still waiting for that slabbed Northumberland or Gothic Crown to bring the whole Empire crashing to its fallible knees. no offence intended!

Yay, a reply!

I'll dig it out tomorrow for you BCC!

So, just out of interest, does CGS acknowledge that a no-H exists? are they the only ones? As you know, I have VERY limited variety penny knowledge, so could be totally barking up the wrong tree here but, reading between the lines, and all the posts on the subject, I'm getting the impression that not even the big penny references are buying this?

Pennies? What pennies?

6? i'd say not, on a couple of points! primarily that the underlying digit looks tilted to me, which has the back arch of the upper loop sloping rightward, explaining the bottom 'bobble' of the under-letter appearing to sit inward of the top loop (does that make sense?). secondly, it's unlikely a six punch was to hand at a time there was a perfectly decent 9 punch in service?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt for me!

But who can look better than you (or us), Pete? Unfortunately I think this variety needs some lustre over a blank field to finally break through as an authenticated variety. Does CGS recognise and grade this as a variety, then? reminds me, must get in touch with this guy: http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/6870-expert-tooling-in-fields/#comment-68394 edit: only just realised not one miserable sod even bothered to comment on my 'tooled fields' post! It's a miracle I'm still here annoying everyone!

Agree that enough of a hint is there, that the clogged die hypothesis stands defiantly up for me. I certainly wouldn't be paying any premium whatsoever for this variety, unless something very magical turns up. There have been enough serious penny collectors investigating and seeking this coin out that I'm going to say it would've likely been found by now, with incontestable evidence to support. I'm very much clogged on this, until indisputable evidence suggests otherwise! Frickin' pennies, nothing else on here to talk about?

I do also think however that anything with numismatic content should have an individidual thread...main reason being... Searchability to benefit both Chris' page hits from search engines, and also for our own searches within the forum. Obviously, a 1900 sixpence is as lost in coin acquisition of the week as it is in Burt's Latest Deals. Which is why, if we have a 1900 sixpence with a query V over N, we should perhaps run an individual thread, so that the web and ourselves can find it again in the future! Good for Chris and good for us!

I'm not adverse to a little personalisation, I have to say (just sayin' ) ...mostly on account that I'm probably the guiltiest of them all. From an SEO point of view the coin aqu. thread is as useless as chocolate on a hot day anyway.

I'm thinking the same thing to be honest, but stick to the idea that a more worn example could elude to it! Many thanks for taking a look in the good book for me. I don't have this one catalogued as punctuated in my own notes...I think I'll be leaving it that way, but would love to see the coin/coins that the variety was/were recorded from!

£22 delivered...quite pleased with that, a nice quality flan. I was particularly interested in this one because of the distinctive reverse die (rim fragment punched into die, and interesting O in CANTOR - probably a C punched twice [normally and reversed to form an O of sorts - the C overlies it quite nicely using software]), and also for the possible punctuation mark after HYB? Apparently there is a Canterbury variety that has said punctuation, anyone for a vote on this one? It would've very much looked like it had the coin been slightly more worn, and the mark flattened somewhat????? Clogged, maybe, cruddy die??? In the exploded view it looks a little more shallow, though it's actually only just below the height of the letters. It looks bolder if you look at the full coin image here.