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Best basic identifier for voided cross pennies?
Coinery replied to jelida's topic in British Hammered
Thank-you, Sir! -
Complete and utter rubbish! You are fundamentally misunderstanding the terms 'chemical' and 'cleaned!' Goodness this has been written about and clarified over and over again throughout this forum. preservation is altogether a different animal to enhancement! If you had red wine on your white carpet, would you attempt to remove it to spare the carpet from being irreparably damaged? If so, consider grease and grime on a coin in the same way! Leave it there are you will eventually have prints and blotches, verd and spots...your call! For any newbie that visits this post, please check for yourself, you will find no harm comes to your bronze and copper coinage from 'decontaminating' them! They will NOT suddenly look or actually be cleaned...you will only be removing things that will in the future damage your coins! To the new visitor...there are a million posts on here about acetone...please search for them and read them all!
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Superb work alfnail and chingford! it's certainly one heck of an optical illusion that the B looks much bigger than the F. i concede: Penny Boys 1 Everything Else 0
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What convinces everyone that this is a B with a straight edged bottom loop? Wouldn't it also be a little small for a B? Just curious!
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Best basic identifier for voided cross pennies?
Coinery replied to jelida's topic in British Hammered
A great resource i heartily agree! -
Whilst the tooling in this particular instance is intentional and not meant to deceive, I thought some close-up images of the fields on John's Victorian Penny was worth posting here, if only so that benefit could be gained from the realisation that the missing Trident Staff, Shield (where the carver in this instance has created a NEW, amazingly level, field), and Bun, could equally be a missing dot, colon, serif, absolutely anything, actually!
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Well, there was this penny post, right, and then there was this post about pennies (which was different because it had 'ies' in it), and then there was something about CGS and a little bit of general TPGC discussion, and... Well, that should bring you up to date, really! Probably just around where you left off?
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Expert Tooling in Fields!
Coinery replied to Coinery's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
So, do we reckon this guy/gal could take an H out for us? -
Expert Tooling in Fields!
Coinery replied to Coinery's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
and, close your eyes... -
Expert Tooling in Fields!
Coinery replied to Coinery's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Best I can do, as I didn't end up taking full images of the coin. Great skill, though! -
hardly a week goes by! Great feedback too! What amazes me most about this regularly appearing 3d is the consistency with which it gets called a sixpence. Perhaps it says sixpence on the original Alibaba packaging?
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Yay, some hammered farthing (not penny) banter coming on! Hope you're well, Happy New Year to you and your's, by the way! Good to have you checking back in again!
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Chilled! 'Over and out!'
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Expert Tooling in Fields!
Coinery replied to Coinery's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Going strong for a 4-year-old post! -
The argument of it possibly being a clogged H is quite simply that some junk got into the tiny impressed H on the die...the rest is history. This wouldn't matter whether it was the first or the 50th coin off the production line. Namely, it wouldn't depend upon any circulation wear to exist, though the phenomenon would be better disguised on a circulated coin without doubt who knows, and this will out one day...it may have been a clog that was spotted and cleared (or re-lettered) quite quickly at the mint? Who knows? I think the jury is out at the moment, but this'll still make it a rare and important penny variety, like so many other clogs and flaws of the penny series. There are enough people interested in this variety that we shall all know about its properly evidenced verification very soon. penny varieties are beginning to dry up, which means some very serious people are looking at what's left out there. not me, though! however: I do fancy an 'anything goes' collection of Victoria in the future, to keep my eye in on the milled, once the EII pennies begin to trickle back in again. i think that's enough coin whoring for one lifetime...to finish up with any Plantagenets, Elizabeth I gold, and any Victorian coinage (all metals) is a good final resting place, covering every budget of most people's journey through life! how exciting!
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OK, just to play devil's advocate, let's say the coin was sent off and CGS unquestionably sent it back as a no-H variety, would we all accept that as valid, done and dusted, when MG, Bamford, et al. (et al. meaning all of us and our own insights and presented evidence) could not conclude on it? i know my TPGC position is well known, so I apologise when I say £14.50 does not answer the question at all, not ever. I'm still waiting for that slabbed Northumberland or Gothic Crown to bring the whole Empire crashing to its fallible knees. no offence intended!
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Expert Tooling in Fields!
Coinery replied to Coinery's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Yay, a reply! -
Expert Tooling in Fields!
Coinery replied to Coinery's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
I'll dig it out tomorrow for you BCC! -
So, just out of interest, does CGS acknowledge that a no-H exists? are they the only ones? As you know, I have VERY limited variety penny knowledge, so could be totally barking up the wrong tree here but, reading between the lines, and all the posts on the subject, I'm getting the impression that not even the big penny references are buying this?
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1819 Shilling - 9 over 9??
Coinery replied to Paulus's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Pennies? What pennies? -
1819 Shilling - 9 over 9??
Coinery replied to Paulus's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
6? i'd say not, on a couple of points! primarily that the underlying digit looks tilted to me, which has the back arch of the upper loop sloping rightward, explaining the bottom 'bobble' of the under-letter appearing to sit inward of the top loop (does that make sense?). secondly, it's unlikely a six punch was to hand at a time there was a perfectly decent 9 punch in service? -
1819 Shilling - 9 over 9??
Coinery replied to Paulus's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Beyond a shadow of a doubt for me! -
But who can look better than you (or us), Pete? Unfortunately I think this variety needs some lustre over a blank field to finally break through as an authenticated variety. Does CGS recognise and grade this as a variety, then? reminds me, must get in touch with this guy: http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/6870-expert-tooling-in-fields/#comment-68394 edit: only just realised not one miserable sod even bothered to comment on my 'tooled fields' post! It's a miracle I'm still here annoying everyone!
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Agree that enough of a hint is there, that the clogged die hypothesis stands defiantly up for me. I certainly wouldn't be paying any premium whatsoever for this variety, unless something very magical turns up. There have been enough serious penny collectors investigating and seeking this coin out that I'm going to say it would've likely been found by now, with incontestable evidence to support. I'm very much clogged on this, until indisputable evidence suggests otherwise! Frickin' pennies, nothing else on here to talk about?
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I do also think however that anything with numismatic content should have an individidual thread...main reason being... Searchability to benefit both Chris' page hits from search engines, and also for our own searches within the forum. Obviously, a 1900 sixpence is as lost in coin acquisition of the week as it is in Burt's Latest Deals. Which is why, if we have a 1900 sixpence with a query V over N, we should perhaps run an individual thread, so that the web and ourselves can find it again in the future! Good for Chris and good for us!