Coinery

I'm going 10cf3 Just out of interest, what is it that swung you for 2 Matteo?

Aye!

Just to add, I've been getting this a lot today... Internal Server ErrorThe server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@predecimal.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. ...when clicking on 'new content'! I'm on the laptop for the first time in ages, and using Chrome. Not a big issue for me, as I usually surf the forum on android, but thought I'd flag it up in case it means something to you?

And that's just the mint, matteo, not even the varieties! Clive's a great bloke, 100% with Peter on that! Rob's also got a halfpenny (which don't show up at anything like the frequency of the pennies...I don't even have a halfpenny in my 9-coin collection myself!) I'd buy it if I were not with child and skint at Christmas, have you spotted it? It's a great game to play, matteo! See it that way and you'll be fine! Don't get burdened by what's 'recorded' as a rarity in hammered coinage because, for the most part, it hasn't been covered yet...that's what you and this forum are all about, exposing those latest varieties!

Agreed! Though this information mostly arises out of ones own experience in collecting a series! Very often, when looking for a particular mint, moneyer, or denomination, you very quickly get to recognise the varieties that are available as box standard items and, at some point, come to realise 'hang-on, I've only just realised that I've never even seen one of these before, despite the fact it's lumped under S12**A with those other communal garden issues! I've come to learn that very few books are up to speed with rarity! How could they be? Take Withers and BCW, for example, they've opened up the medieval world of coins for everyone, yet you will find unrecorded examples within 20 minutes of collecting within that series. It really only comes down to experience! In all honesty it wouldn't be what it is as a pastime otherwise!

Have a good one! ?

'At the bottom of a mound (of 1967 pennies) lay a big, BIG, man, big Rob!' ??

https://www.galata.co.uk/store.asp?stockMasterCategoriesID=5 Withers are the operators of this site!

Most of the Plantagenet coins are really nicely covered by Withers! Check out Galata.com Edit: sorry .co.uk

I think Rob got an undercut in the cyber department, he's gone a bit quiet...even for Rob...though I concur, on two grounds (one of receiving him aboard our narrowboat, and one of spending a couple of hours in the pub with both him an Declan), that he is both tall AND a walking tome on all thinks coins! It's verging on embarrassment calling yourself a coiny in his presence...whatever your field! My recommendation is to discuss the burning characteristics of trees if you want to retain any kind of academic significance! He's a bit of a force, true it is to say young Luke!

Yes, seconded, Kev! You couldn't even sell them on eBay, as the postage cost would be prohibitive! Thanks for bringing them here, though, they could've been valuable.

I should also perhaps add as an extra to the below quote... "A lot of the most useful knowledge comes from the experience of others... " This is why we love you, Rob, and the reason why this forum is great! ? Any man that bought cider from Thatchers, when it used to be cider, is peer-reviewed as far as I'm concerned! Merry Christmas chaps! (Sorry, got a 7 year-old lad...Christmas has only been days away for days!)

AND, as a case in point, here's some experience-related info I obtained today (I'm Northwich Trader [the type of narrowboat we have])! http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=81247&p=1716816#entry1716816

For what it's worth I also love books! But you can't escape the amazing resource that is the www, which books can never hope to compete with. I think the point you're missing about the web, Rob, is not everything has to be peer reviewed to be of value. For instance, when I put into Google 'frontera won't start clicking sound under bonnet (made up, by the way)' the information I find on the frontera owners' club forum that tells me 'ah, yes, there's a relay behind the nearside front light. It's a bad wet area for fronteras, just pull the connectors off and give them a rub with some emery paper,' I feel a very happy chappy! I think your librarian would be stumped trying to ordering you in a book with that snippet of info. in it, and you'd have to catch the bus for a week. A lot of the most useful knowledge comes from the experience of others, they don't always have to be academic.

Oh, Triffic, see ya all in 2016 Have a good Christmas, ya'll??

OZ, I think the term cleaning, is something that should be used to describe 'a procedure that removes something that's integral to the life-cycle of the coin,' such as age-related oxidisation for example? A lot of cleaning efforts that breach the above statement, are what we talk about in the negative. What I'm saying re cleaning is, yes, acetone may 'technically' be cleaning, but only removing the things that are NOT integral to the lifecycle of the coin, and so preventing those things that ARE great about an old coin from being diminished! When we store a coin in an ambient state, and handle them with kid gloves, are we not in a way protecting them from further contamination, maybe (technically) keeping them clean? If we are, then my argument is we should start with maintenance, namely, remove damaging contaminants! This is different to removing something that's already occurred, such as an acid print, or removing an unfortunate tone by dipping, etc.

A 20th/21st century proof will not stand any kind of intervention, I 100% agree, and have said so endlessly on this forum...it is hoped they can be bought without grime? Earlier proofs? Well, you pay for what you get. You mention Olive Oil, CJ, olive oil is not something to degrease a coin with, which is all I'm talking about. It can soften residue, sure...but you then need to remove it, as it also (eventually) becomes rank and gummy, which is why I no longer use olive oil without removing it afterward! The best thing for removing olive oil? As you say, each to his own, but I think your statement re an acetoned coin meeting a rejection by TPGCs was over the top to say the least!

Edit to add: "In the interim ... Long live the use of Acetone in the U.K. ... hey ... its cheap but the real question is can it get past a grading service as never being cleaned or a Spinks cataloger .... for that matter." I'm dumbstruck, of course acetone will get past the TPGCs! Nothing happens, except the coin is decontaminated! What's wrong with everyone, it's not cleaned, acetone cannot clean, only remove grime that may one day attack the coin! Here's my two-penneth, if all perfect coins were decontaminated by acetone, we'd never see a fingerprint upon them ever again. If you get a 100 year old bronze coin in dazzling BU, how long before a 21C careless print makes its appearance? How much do you think the previous seller or auction house cared about handling pre delivery to you? Your prized BU penny from an auction house has just been handled more than a 2010 currency 10p of Elizabeth! It's a shame, but a fact. I think it should be a routine thing that we decontaminate a coin before filing it into our own collections! I do, and always will! All 8 coins from my own collection are sat void of acidic human grease!

Permanent set-up for camera is an excellent idea.

Nice! Some fabulous aerial shots! Thanks for sharing!

Having changed direction AGAIN, does anybody want this error 2014 10p for the fiver I gave for it? The images are shocking, I cannot photograph shiny coins at all, but it is BU (arguably, of course ). It was also photographed in a coin flip, which has a 'speckly' window (the whole batch of flips were like it...damned annoying). Anyway, leave it with you!

Your's for a fiver + post if you want it?

Maybe a piece of crud damaged the die?

There's a correlation between post numbers and the timescales for editing!

I've had two of these before, and seen another in hand, and they're not all thick. In fact the one I had in a W&W lot was 'hammered' thin. This is one of the lesser ones I've seen! Thanks for putting the images up TG! The seller mentioned nothing about it being a copy in the title, which is rather misleading TBH.