Coinery

What's the misprint on your 2014?

Maybe Pepsi?

No 5p for me yet but a million 2014s! Maybe 2015 5ps will be the rare ones, in view of the 2014 glut?

Aren't all the 2015 coins bearing the new effigy, I'm definitely missing out if both effigies are on the 2015 coins? I haven't actually checked the busts, but have been salting away any and all new 2015 coins in collectable condition, as I did for 2014 and 2013! A fractionally more sensible loose change "pot" akin to the one everybody else has stored in a bells whiskey bottles!

I was taking a closer look at the Withers' farthing varieties for Edward II and noticed that Type 30l, described in the book as 'shoulder lines to bust depicted' or possibly 'scribe lines' that are as 'prominent as the letters...and look as if they are intentional,' was in fact nothing other than the devices of a reverse die, so presumably just a re-hammered farthing? Anyone? Pictures taken from the book 'Farthings and Halfpennies Edward I and II' by Paul and Bente R Withers.

Here's an example on a halfpenny, where you can see the flukes of the anchor (and of course the eyelet within the Cepher) to the right of the Cepher. If it wasn't for the extreme positioning of the anchor PM, you could be forgiven for thinking that the Portcullis was a double-strike, which it's not.

Not a pirate at all...extremely relevant! I totally agree with your rationale on this. If it was an overstruck coin, there would be more evidence of the underlying coin showing in other areas IMO. I truly hope to find a 2nd example of TYPE 30l, as this is a particularly extreme example. This would set your proposals in stone for good.

To clarify! A second example would conclusively prove a poorly ground down stock! The absence of any other example would suggest it was another coin re-entered into the dies!

Didn't think it was, but, for some reason, I'm not buying a reverse die struck underneath. Do we know of any better images of such a phenomenon? Deja vous for me here, and what a terribly written post of mine! It's all up in the air, but a second example would prove Rob's proposal, and no other would suggest mine?Nothing boring in the Plantagenet series!

Many thanks for your extremely generous effort on this! The top coin is a known variety, and the second is the same variety as mine! I'll look at it on the PC tomorrow, but it looks to be most definitely a different die? Brilliant stuff, Mr Knipe! Are you going to share your contact with me?

Not quite so pretty I confess, but my first unrecorded farthing of Edward II, which I'm hoping Withers will add to an addenda and/or future publication update? Die-sinker error EDWADVS REX A Withers does catalogue an EDWADVS REX AN under Type 30k bis, but that's as close as we get - DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT bis MEANS PLEASE? Of some charm is the on-die repair to the broken-topped E in Edwadvs.

Could never be ghosting though, Clive, as the devices are all as per normal strike!

West Country Boy!

Die-cracks don't bother me at all, I see them as part of the numismatic journey of the dies, and are seldom detracting/disfiguring. A lot of varieties are spotted by, and identified from, die-flaws...where would we be without them?

No worries Stu, looking forward to hearing from you. I have newly discovered Nightmares In Wax photos to share too! Superb, will be back at ya shortly! You should share it all on here, by the way, everyone would love it!

Haven't forgot you MR, just a little preoccupied at the moment, but I'll get there!

Just a quick update...I've just heard back from Bente Withers, and they'd like photos to include this farthing in their next publication as a new variety! Whoo hoo, I'm loving these Plantagenets! Means I'll have to buy a new copy when it comes out!

Just to confirm, Colin (aboutfarthings) hasn't ever seen one either!

Thanks, Clive. I can totally see the logic for cataloguing this coin under 30b var. or similar, but Withers certainly doesn't follow that pattern in the book. For example, you'd expect the only other EDWADVS Type 30 coin he mentions, which is EDWADVS REX AN, to be catalogued as an error under 30h (the EDWARDVS REX AN coin), but he lists it instead as 30k bis???? Anyway, I've sent it to him with a polite email, so we'll see what he makes of it. Re your friends example of my coin from a different die, does it have the very characteristic repaired E in Edwardus? The cut-out letters on my above illustration demonstrate it really well. And many thanks for the offer re selling, but I'm going to do my damned best to hold onto my new Plantagenet series. One other point? Does your friend have, or know of, another example of Type 30l (the coin I mentioned in another hammered thread), it would be useful to resolve that thread? Colin hasn't ever seen one, so I'm on the look out, just to solve the mystery.

Oh, and I forgot to mention...flipping this halfpenny bought me the book! WHAT a hobby!

I've just bought this 191682428067 tonight to flip, does anyone have the Withers book and a couple of minutes spare to properly ID it for me? Only until I get my own copy, of course, which is imminent!

Very strange! I was looking over the 'completed items' section on eBay, to see if there were any 'identified' reverse Roman N halfpennies of Richard sold, just to give me a starting place for pricing on the 'bay, and guess what I found? The exact halfpenny I bought 191668757635 sold by the same seller, correctly identified as a R2 halfpenny. How odd that he should be selling it a little while later with an Ed2 farthing, describing it as 'Edward halfpenny and farthing I think'? Very odd! Perhaps a little reverse psychology experiment? Who knows? Anyway, it's been nicely recycled to a prominent halfpenny collector now. Think I undercut myself a little bit, as this was also a reversed Roman N reverse! Good thing is I reckon everyone's happy, and I enjoyed the process! Great coining, love it!

could be £2-£3 if you keep a sharp eye on the 'bay. Not quite as many people scanning over the fine grade material so you should/could get a steal! Please come and brag about it on here once you get it, won't you?