Coinery

Blimey, what a transformation...on the I-phone, at least! Will have to take a closer look at it tomorrow! Wow!

I've posted this a couple of times on here along the way but, when decontaminating coins with acetone and q-tips/cotton buds, remember to dip each end of the bud into the acetone bottle only once! I'll never forget (and it's testament to how much junk you can unknowingly remove from the surface of a coin) getting to the end of my first bottle, and realising in the last 4mm of fluid (a dark bottle) was around 2mm of old coin gunk, which I had been smearing back over my coins in ignorant bliss! I only ever dip the q-tip in the solution once nowadays, and wasted around 100 flips by having to start all over again! My tip of the year!

Although I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of fingerprints on such coins, appeared during, or shortly after, the brief time they were in actual circulation. So the fingerprint is most likely from someone long dead. I'm not sure how careless or otherwise staff at specialist coin auction houses are. Do you have any evidence to support an assertion that they handle them carelessly? What does bug me are those endless pics on e bay with a coin photograohed in somebody's hand. At the auctions I've attended, the coins are in and out of the wallets at a million miles an hour, and being handled by anyone who wants to inspect it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...really lovely coin, that! ?

I've just been surfing around for the SCBI North Edwardian Silver Coins (39) - not too many of those around from what I can see? Would happily swap a good copy of Peck for one?

Not a great deal in that condition, unfortunately, Brian. Take a look here to get a feel for it... http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=richard+I+penny&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=BS227GL&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=3&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50 Boy, wasn't that great to have something a little different to bronze pennies! EDIT: Here's an eBay VLARD Penny... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/King-Richard-I-Silver-Hammered-Penny-1189-1199-Vlard-on-Cant-/371482700899?hash=item567e182c63%3Ag%3AB18AAOSw5VFWP3Po&nma=true&si=C4E%252Fla%252Bgd88kDexFgH47QmdyYfo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Nobody will ever believe me!

VLARD ON CANT Richard I

That striking band and crude legend??? On first glance I don't think it's short cross at all? Edit: I've had a quick scan, but I just don't have the literature to get anywhere near this one. It could either be something incredibly exciting and crude from the Angevins, or a very crude contemporary short cross forgery? There's just that tantalizing bit of extra detail and positioning of marks in the reverse quarters that make this look unusual? The legends could also be fake, or crude emergency issue?? Interesting Looking forward to hearing the outcome on this one! Some of the reverse legend looks to be ...ARD ON (maybe CANT, but that would fit?). OR, of course, Richard I?

Nicely put, Paulus, it's great to have collectors with Matteo's understandings amongst us...and on young shoulders, too, if his profile is anything to go on? I asked about editions because I thought I'd glanced somewhere on the net something about updates/updated???? I obviously can't find it now (of course, and typically), but thought I'd better ask anyway.

Does anyone have a preference for a particular edition of the SCBI 39?

Yes, I generally go Withers, then a quick scan in North Hammered Coinage, before a minute crawl of Rod Blunt's pages. I might have a look at acquiring the SCBI book in the new year? In time it might be nice to pick up a few of the coins from that collection!

Just out of interest, how useful do you find the majority of images in the SCBI book? I always imagined them to be grainy and of limited use, do you find it generally useful? This is the link to the UKDFD homepage for the Edward Penny series... http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwardian-Pennies/Edwardian%20Pennies%20P1.htm#The groups Edit: make sure you scroll right to the bottom of this link

I concede Matteo, 10Cf2 This is another fabulous reference and resource for images http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwardian-Pennies/Edwardian%20Pennies%20P11A.htm#Group%2010%20(secondary)

Agreed re the usual hook. I finally decided on 3 because of the overall height of the side petals of the central lis. The upper arch of the side petals tower well above the other ornaments, that's what swung it for me. Will have to revisit it again later. All good fun!

I'm going 10cf3 Just out of interest, what is it that swung you for 2 Matteo?

Aye!

Just to add, I've been getting this a lot today... Internal Server ErrorThe server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@predecimal.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. ...when clicking on 'new content'! I'm on the laptop for the first time in ages, and using Chrome. Not a big issue for me, as I usually surf the forum on android, but thought I'd flag it up in case it means something to you?

And that's just the mint, matteo, not even the varieties! Clive's a great bloke, 100% with Peter on that! Rob's also got a halfpenny (which don't show up at anything like the frequency of the pennies...I don't even have a halfpenny in my 9-coin collection myself!) I'd buy it if I were not with child and skint at Christmas, have you spotted it? It's a great game to play, matteo! See it that way and you'll be fine! Don't get burdened by what's 'recorded' as a rarity in hammered coinage because, for the most part, it hasn't been covered yet...that's what you and this forum are all about, exposing those latest varieties!

Agreed! Though this information mostly arises out of ones own experience in collecting a series! Very often, when looking for a particular mint, moneyer, or denomination, you very quickly get to recognise the varieties that are available as box standard items and, at some point, come to realise 'hang-on, I've only just realised that I've never even seen one of these before, despite the fact it's lumped under S12**A with those other communal garden issues! I've come to learn that very few books are up to speed with rarity! How could they be? Take Withers and BCW, for example, they've opened up the medieval world of coins for everyone, yet you will find unrecorded examples within 20 minutes of collecting within that series. It really only comes down to experience! In all honesty it wouldn't be what it is as a pastime otherwise!

Have a good one! ?

'At the bottom of a mound (of 1967 pennies) lay a big, BIG, man, big Rob!' ??

https://www.galata.co.uk/store.asp?stockMasterCategoriesID=5 Withers are the operators of this site!

Most of the Plantagenet coins are really nicely covered by Withers! Check out Galata.com Edit: sorry .co.uk

I think Rob got an undercut in the cyber department, he's gone a bit quiet...even for Rob...though I concur, on two grounds (one of receiving him aboard our narrowboat, and one of spending a couple of hours in the pub with both him an Declan), that he is both tall AND a walking tome on all thinks coins! It's verging on embarrassment calling yourself a coiny in his presence...whatever your field! My recommendation is to discuss the burning characteristics of trees if you want to retain any kind of academic significance! He's a bit of a force, true it is to say young Luke!