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I've just had a very positive experience on eBay, so would like to share this lovely coin by way of a thank you to the seller! As I understand it, he's a serious collector who is presently selling up, but meaning to return to the hobby in better days! I bought that Lincoln Penny and a lovely little farthing from him. Could someone kindly put a link in for me? 151771138858
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I hope he's pleased with that?
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'Tis true TG they are didly! You'd need more than 18 of these little 'Blumens' to tip any scales countered by a Charles shilling! I'd try getting in touch with the Withers', but can't yet articulate the issue clearly enough that even I can understand it? Hah! Publication, Peter, I ask you? I'm only regurgitating what's already out there, and just piling a bit of fancy old icing on top of it! I do try and get value for money out of this little pastime of ours, so tinkering around with any purchase I make is all part of the fun! I also have the nature that wants to understand things to the n'th degree before moving on PS: Just realised I've ended nearly every sentence with a smiley! It does make me smile, this coinie life!
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OK, it's written in the books... No-one seems to be able to provide a difference between an Edward I Type 30 farthing, or an Edward II Type 30 farthing, not even Spink, so I'm looking for any ideas or deeper reading that might shed some light on this for me? The best solution I can come up with so far is the degradation of punches and/or dies to provide a presently loose timescale on the period that it covers? For example, below are the two crowns of my edward I/II farthings. There is a clear deterioration of the punch and die of the second crown. There are also the broken tops of the angle-backed Es, which are mentioned everywhere, this must also give some supporting chronology, IF this is the only way? Any ideas?
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OK, this cross-over period needs disseminating, and I’ve now read all I can, discovering the truth probably already exists within the texts for Type 30 at least (unless you would like to challenge the texts rather more academically than a mere literature review?). Withers being the most updated, and currently undisputed work on the hammered farthings of this period, have Type 30 clearly within the Edward II reign, dating it (with others) as 1310-1314. It is only Spinks that complicates the matter, because it hasn’t yet come up to speed with the new classifications, despite the fact that Withers’ is the text they now use to develop their catalogue numbers (and I can see why it is as yet woolly). They (Spinks) have the ‘new’ issue farthing (inner circles both sides), spanning both reigns and, to complicate things further, have ALL the Edward II farthings (of which there are a number of types) listed under just one Spink number. We’ve all been there before I know! Anyway, of real interest and significance, little did I know it, are Types 28 and 29. These, according to Withers, actually DO span the two reigns in date (1300-1310), yet Spink has them both catalogued within the Edward I reign. Now, as far as I can tell, because the crowns and busts overlap the two reigns, is that the E and C are the only separating indicators as far as Spinks are concerned? Namely, round-backed is E1 and Angle-Backed is E2? However, as far as Withers is concerned, if I’m disseminating this correctly (and Withers hasn’t actually said this), is that the round-back and Angle-back letters traverse the two reigns, without a distinct timescale? But Spinks classification appears to make the statement (though they haven’t said this) that the angle and the round are the difference between S1450 and S 1474. I’d absolutely love to understand this fickle little detail about the farthings, as I’m sure the information is there now, but yet to be effectively articulated...unlike wot I ‘ave just done. I know it can be brainstormed through to a satisfactory conclusion, however! I do at least feel satisfied that my two farthings (W30h & W30b) are both Edward II, despite the significant deterioration in punches and dies of the 4 years they are thought to cover.
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Dup.
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It's difficult to photograph proofs at the best of times, I just meant for personal satisfaction it's worth checking them over in that way!
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Something I found useful with proofs is to tilt them in artificial light. This exposes any hairline issues far better than daylight does. Or is it the other way round? I forget now...try it in both lights in the future! But, hey, if it looks good in-hand, it probably is!
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Nons "What crap has he bought this time?" Thread.....
Coinery replied to Nonmortuus's topic in Beginners area
It'll be the lustre on your new coin that will sing out to you! I love great lustre! -
Sorry to ask, but is that a bit of cross-hatch below the G of DG?
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Coinery replied to Nonmortuus's topic in Beginners area
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Nons "What crap has he bought this time?" Thread.....
Coinery replied to Nonmortuus's topic in Beginners area
He's pretty scary, but I reckon he'll give you a princely reception if he knows you're from here! -
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Coinery replied to Nonmortuus's topic in Beginners area
So you've got the Coin Fair right on your doorstep? -
Nons "What crap has he bought this time?" Thread.....
Coinery replied to Nonmortuus's topic in Beginners area
I think you raise a good point that's often missed by a lot of us who have (or have had) large collections, and long-since moved beyond that desperate feeling of not really having a collection until you've got a few coins. If you don't go crazy, I think buying a few lesser grades is a good thing, but stick to a small area and keep looking for the same coin and dates for upgrades. You'll lose a bit of money this way but, boy, when the 3rd upgrade drops on your door mat, you'll come close to skimming your first purchase across a lake, such will be your enlightenment. To be honest it's no good expecting novices to buy well from the very beginning, whatever advice is given, because you need to know what a rubbish coin is first. If you have to rely on experts from the outset you'll never come close to becoming one yourself...just don't make your education too expensive. I did exactly the same thing as you...and so did everyone else on here, whether they admit it or not! The only consolation I can offer you re the money you'll lose along the way is that, one day, you'll sell one or two that will start to address the balance, especially when the time comes that you make fewer, and hopefully smaller, mistakes? Happy collecting Nons! -
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Coinery replied to Nonmortuus's topic in Beginners area
Again lower-grade, but everyone's got to have a Young Head Victoria Sov. in their collection. -
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Coinery replied to Nonmortuus's topic in Beginners area
Lol, brilliantly titled thread! Maybe a quid or two over, but a nice coin...what it's all about! It's low-grade, but pretty. For a few quid that's money well spent! -
That! C'mon, sort it out, J!
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Sorry to pirate the thread just then! Just returning you to the front. There are plenty of penny boys here to answer thaaaaaaattttt.....abooouuut....now!
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Ooooooh, just re-read my own post about a 1000 years of pennies! Who's going to take that baby on? What a collection that would be!
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OK, look, I've been taking a long look at this coin again this morning, but on the laptop this time, and will concede to NEF overall, but obviously polished and retoned at some point, so worth peanuts to a seasoned collector. However, I'd still like to know the grade that CGS gave the other one, Paulus? Especially as this was the coin used to beat me into submission and force the grade of the other one down by a half-grade in my eyes!
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Sugar? Blumen? Cracked me up! Great choices! Edit: can we have a Honey in there?
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Well I think you could be looking a very long time to better that one! N--e C--n!
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Hey, Pete, I don't actually think VS was referring to YOU personally as hollow...I saw it only as a little jab at the TPGC's elitism at using the term 'finest known' nothing more! We AND he, all know that the term is only meant to describe the best example stabbed by the company. Also I think asking to see the picture was a genuine request, it must be a pretty good coin, we'd all like to see it? Honestly, if you keep re-reading his post I think you will be able to see it a different way! Anyway, I thought you said you'd chilled out? Did you forget to breath out? C'mon, let's take a look at these two H pennies?
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Nothing sophisticated at all, Paul, your's is clearly a better coin, and a far superior image! I'm guessing CGS gave your's EF? But then we are onto a different ball game altogether.