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Hey, Pete, I don't actually think VS was referring to YOU personally as hollow...I saw it only as a little jab at the TPGC's elitism at using the term 'finest known' nothing more! We AND he, all know that the term is only meant to describe the best example stabbed by the company. Also I think asking to see the picture was a genuine request, it must be a pretty good coin, we'd all like to see it? Honestly, if you keep re-reading his post I think you will be able to see it a different way! Anyway, I thought you said you'd chilled out? Did you forget to breath out? C'mon, let's take a look at these two H pennies?

Nothing sophisticated at all, Paul, your's is clearly a better coin, and a far superior image! I'm guessing CGS gave your's EF? But then we are onto a different ball game altogether.

Even taking the polish out of this conversation, there is a massive difference in strike/die-wear and clogs - especially so between these two coins. Many of the components BELOW the traditional wear areas are also very muted on the OP coin...the feathers of the angel's wing, the feathering on the legs of the lions, etc.. Unfortunately your cropped images take the reverses out of context, as the rim on the second quarter, thistle and main crown on the OP coin are major considerations in deciding die-wear, at least they are for me anyway? Now, don't get me wrong, because I am not defending this coin at all, I most certainly wouldn't buy it, and wouldn't recommend that NM does either.

Deep breath and...out! Nice coin!

The reverse is considerably better! Look at the 'hip coil' on the angel, and the thistle for example? Also the rim in the second quarter? It's difficult to technically grade the obverse, as we are all pretty much agreed it's polished (possibly)! However, overall, taking the entire coin into account (not the eye-appeal, lustre or tone, or scratches), I'm still going with EF! BUT, that's not to say EF money!

Stewie watch out for a Scotsman after your Alex. Lovely coin. No, I'm not bidding on this one, but thought I owed the seller a little plug after giving him a postage scare (which was an issue my end, not his)!Pretty coin, though!

Cheers, Paulus!

I eventually ended up opting for a white background too. And definitely a tripod! More important than the camera!

Touché Paulus! I do think it makes EF though!

I don't think the colour is really an issue, as it's not rainbow toning in the classic sense. I also think it may of had an obverse polish, with quite a few field marks, especially in the right field. Definitely an in-hand coin, and something you'd have to be 100% happy you could return without fuss or argument. I don't recognise the seller, so couldn't comment on his honour. Good luck, NM

Hey, we've missed you on here! ?

I've just had a very positive experience on eBay, so would like to share this lovely coin by way of a thank you to the seller! As I understand it, he's a serious collector who is presently selling up, but meaning to return to the hobby in better days! I bought that Lincoln Penny and a lovely little farthing from him. Could someone kindly put a link in for me? 151771138858

Now that's interesting, VS, as I see FDC as an uncirculated example of a coin in a near-pristine condition. To be more precise a coin that has miraculously escaped the digs and dings of the chute!

Wow!

It's because of Agincourt that my HK friend likes them! He admires the military brilliance of the occasion.

Not for your goodself I'm guessing Stu? I need a decent W3 Crown too so leave off please (seriously though if you let me know which lot number you may be bidding on (if any) I will steer clear) haven't had a chance to browse, yet, and no not for me! A nice W3 crown around the £800 mark is a little bit illusive. It's a price range where you can buy average or great, depending on the day, so I'm being patient on his behalf! H5 is no better or easier a find between HG and Penny!

I also think a full refund is more than reasonable, again IMHO!

Hi Joseph! If a novice doesn't know his way around the mules (or otherwise) of this series, then he really shouldn't be buying them in the first place! It's one thing to intentionally deceive with a bit of spit and polish, or a shoddy photo, but altogether a different thing for someone to believe they have a variety and call it such. It is then for the buyer to do his homework and decide for himself. Probably not the playground of the novice...IMHO!

Cheers! Looking for a decent H5 coin and a W3 Crown!

I think the term remains in existence because of books like Chris' and Spink's, and I personally don't mind the term at all as, for me, it represents what a coin would look like if it were 'technically' uncirculated. It is quite simply a parameter that rates above EF, that's been sub-divided by GEF and aUNC! No problems on my front! Still better than a number that replaces in some part the eye-appeal of a coin, but doesn't actually give the grade! Namely, the number of a TPG offers a point with which to value a coin, whereas the traditional grading system is nothing other than a grade...you can decide on the eye-appeal and value for yourself! Believe it or not!

EF at least! It has that rubbing on the bust that looks misleading. If you compare that 'rubbing' to a bronze penny of G5, which commonly shows that kind of wear, you will realise the ballpark you're playing in! Buying?

Great post, Mr T!

They get through because the pyx is nothing to do with quality control at the time of manufacture. The pyx is a check that the output was in accordance with the standards laid down, performed after a given period of time.Isn't it all a bit pointless nowadays in the absence of bullion value?

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