Coinery

I'd say treble+ for EF...not that such a thing exists in my eyes! There is 'as-struck' in hammered, as far as I'm concerned...and then whether you like it clipped, weak, cracked, clogged, ploughed, dinted, cleaned, black with thick encrustations (some living, possibly)...that's my take on things! I'm not listening to an EF price on anything, or VF for that matter, it's pretty meaningless! Now, what Spink does for me, is offer me a scenario where I can draw comparisons! I know what a £300 (actual) Elizabeth coin looks like (more or less), which leaves me able to interpret (more or less) what I might expect from an equivalent-priced coin from, say, Charles I or John! It's not about grade, but I can see how Spink's hands are tied on this point! If I see an Ed. Con. coin for £50 in Spink, and already know where a £50 penny of Elizabeth sits in the grand scheme of things, I can, specifics aside, quickly determine the likelihood of me finding another, or a better, example quite quickly! And also how quickly someone might rip my hand off if I have one! That's Spink and hammered grading for me!

My thought too!

I was going to mention that!

It's bang on for weight, and he has almost 100% positive feedback too, how can you tell? I'd love a photo of the scales he used! Grandma's bathroom scales, no doubt!

And often easily cross-reference by the moneyer on the page at the end of the section in Spink for an occasional simple ID! :-)Obviously not home!

Proof for me Deep cameo first strike FDCMS72

I think that 'milled' Halfcrown's an easy BUNC! Night, night, chaps!

If they sold you a fake or previously holed coin I bet you could return it?

As Mark says above, the online description is key, whether eBay or an auction house, excepting anything that could be seen as subjective. Meaning, an eBay auction selling an Elizabeth I silver sixpence, which arrives as a pewter copy, would not be a binding auction! Nor would any sublety of the same principle thereafter! At least that's how I understand it?

Re auction house returns (as hammered grading's gone out the window now), I would think a previously holed coin would be something they'd want to honour with a credit? Grading is of course 'buyer beware'! I don't think an auction house should get into a debate about grade, or what their peers have previously graded? There is an onus upon the buyer to view the coins, which I know most of us can't do and, without our blind'ish' bids, most auction houses would suffer. This is why, for the most part, they don't normally bite the hand that feeds. Normally, that is!

I can understand it with a G6 penny, where the finest rib of hair missing above the ear can nearly half the value? But with hammered, it seems such a pointless exercise? I think hammered coins should be graded with clapometers or wow-factor! When grade is synonymous with value, and presumably the reason we want to nail-it, the clapometer will do just as nicely!

But what does that really mean? What does it symbolise? I don't understand?

They wouldn't survive very long if they were hard-faced, and to the letter of the law with their public! I have to say, I've never had an issue that wasn't resolved to my satisfaction with ANY auction house ever! Yes, I was forgetting the minting processes, Dave! However, hmmmm, no, I'll leave it well alone!

Is still don't get why anyone's bothered about grade with hammered coins? Quality is what counts, and that ain't nothing to do with grade. I've just bought (naughty I know) a 700 year old penny! The legend is all blocked, the reverse cross too! But, the coin is a million dollars' worth of quality, as far as I'm concerned! There isn't a mark on the flan other than the stresses of the strike, and the imperfections of the original flan! It's uncirculated in my eyes but, in reality, is a what? when you can get a porous, pin-holed, plough-dug, unc...why bother? I honestly believe hammered and traditional grading are totally incompatible.

For those who haven't met Rob, he talks like this too...a walking library...I'll never ever be able to retain such a museum of facts, I'm not made that way! I can barely create files that are useful enough to navigate my way way to a desired fact! He's a little bit odd! Unusual, shall we say? On fire should I say?

Scotland Yard!

It gets worse, Nordle! Peter has got Harry (hairy) R Sole! Only Peter!

5.9g is perfectly acceptable. Looks genuine to me.

Can we have him back after that?

How much will the dig affect the grade? Not a jot! It will affect the value!

I had to share it on FB...I thought it was the kind of Sherlock stuff that crime novels are made from.

Just saw on another forum the suggestion that holding a running electric toothbrush against the slab will cause the coin to rotate. Really? Wow! Makes me even more convinced that slabs are not for me! Everytime we took the boat up the canal, the coins would be spinning in their sockets like a clock! That's the trouble with a big old vintage 'thumper' in the engine room! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Az63ZXg9NSE

I'm definitely going to take some time out and watch all of these! As Arnie said...'I'll be back!'

I love all the G5 coins! I've still got my heart set on acquiring the entire reign (one day)! I've had around half of them at any one time...I'd certainly be happy with that one!

Indeed! Well done, TG!