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Any thoughts on this? The E is taken from the obverse of a Class 11 Edward Penny looks like a round-back to me? Can I have some views/agreeances (or not) with this please? The C is from the Reverse of same which, in view of some of the 'proper' angle-backs (or pointed back by some), looks more rounded than angled. Any thoughts on the C in partictular? The obverse fits no other North classification except 11a2 (which presents with a round-backed E). The reverse lettering is of the same style as the obverse, I just need some expert eyes on this C Round-backed or Pointed/Angle-Backed C? Angle-back would make it a mule (I'm guessing you can mule within classes?), a round-back would make everything right for type. HELP!

Just reading Wren on the back of the boat...bliss! Anyway, aside from all that, I've just read the term in Wren that says for 11b that the 'C and E now have distinctly angular backs to them.' Nothing from PW, yet, what about you Mr Knipe? Edit: I'm particularly interested in the term 'distinctly,' as there appears to be quite a range from a clear round-back, through to the most angular/triangular of E's and C's!

Playing Peter at his own game!

Wow, what a revamp! 1368 in my 2013 copy is 25 65! That's because they split them out. The majority are 5b2 where the price hasn't moved. 5b1 is the rare one, but presumably this kept the 1368 designation as 5b1 comes before 5b2. Another case of it helps to know what you are looking for. anyone working with an old book and minimal knowledge would refrain from spending £100 on a 5b1 because the book only says VbIndeed, another lesson learned! That has to be pretty unusual in Spink I would think?Interesting series the Plantagenets, I'm quite enjoying them! Cheap and cheerful mostly! You're going to groan at this! I've now bought the five 1935 cigarette cards for the Plantagenet kings, and plan to make leading pages in an album for each of the reigns, using these cards in the top lefthand corners! I watched a chap in the Cirencester craft market painting illuminate pages with great skill, so I'm going to get him to make me an illuminate page for each reign, with the picture card incorporated! You can buy full page slips for these leather coin albums, so I will lead each monarch with a great piece of A4ish art, and an 80 year-old print. A little twee, but I can't wait!

I haven't got the literature for this one, but the 10 O'clock legend with ligated NR strikes me as being something less common?

Wow, what a revamp! 1368 in my 2013 copy is 25 65!

1500p is closer. 25 fine, 65 VFNo change since 2013 then (for 1368 at least)!

Yes, rather a quirky N, or should I say xI? Very odd! Thanks for that!

Cheers, Rob! That must be a new addition to Spink, it's not in 2013! Don't s'pose they happen to say £1500 in fine for that new addition per chance?

S1368? Common!

What an unusual looking reverse N? I don't recall ever seeing such a busy X in REX before? I'm completely unfamiliar with this series, it might be normal?

This was my point, really, about the honesty of the punch often hiding in its root, poetically speaking!

Not an easy series at all!

Cool bananas, chKy, that's more like it, a nice bit of classical music! Brilliant!

What about pictures?

Though, just for zimgrind's clarification, you can however have lustre that's overtoned, which presents slightly more 'luminous' than the monotones of a tarnished alloy or base metal.

Sorry, and re-reading your post, what do you think of the E?

Thanks! What I meant by base, wasn't bottom of the letter, but where the entire outer 'outer'-edge of the letter joins with the field, which you wouldn't see in a 2d picture, if you know what I mean? The reason I persist in this point is some of the pictures I've seen of round-backs are sometimes 'flecked' for want of a better word, whereas the angle-backs are mostly really triangular behind. I completely get your perspective on this, using the diagrams and plates, but it leaves me still somewhat confused and unconvinced. There appears to be an inbetween state, which buggers things re a simple classification?

Thanks, Rob. What's throwing me is the base of the E where it meets the flan, possibly the best indicator of a punches' true shape, is very much round. Are your thoughts angle-backed for both letters? Cheers in advance. Crazy thing is it's only a £3.20 coin, but it's an important journey on this new path of mine.

Which does weigh in favour of damage, rather than design?

Clive, I made a response of gratitude to this post, shortly after you made it! Lord knows what happened to it? Maybe I hit the wrong button or something on my phone? Anyhow, many thanks for that...perfect!

I'm just reading Withers' book on pennies, and have noted they say 'there are several subdivision of this group [Class 11]' (just happens to be Class 11). They obviously have 11a, 11b, and 11c, which then have further 'uncatalogued' legend and bust variations, but I can't see any reference of use beyond saying: 'Canterbury Class 11b Penny with legend EDWAR R ANGL DNS hYB and Large Faced Bust with rounded chin,' which is a little unsatisfactory. However, and to cut a long story short, I've just seen a reference on the net which says 'Class 11b2.' Where are they getting the extra reference add-on from? Is there a reference that classifies at a deeper level than the Withers book? Cheers in advance, and as always, gents!

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