Coinery

Withers is suggesting 10cf for the start of Edward II...is that also your's and the general establishments understanding, or are there further studies contesting that? Cheers, Clive.

Thanks, Clive, that's great. I must get the first vol. of North. I'd noticed Wren used 11d (and you say North) but Withers doesn't, without any explanation that I can see?

I'm just reading Withers' book on pennies, and have noted they say 'there are several subdivision of this group [Class 11]' (just happens to be Class 11). They obviously have 11a, 11b, and 11c, which then have further 'uncatalogued' legend and bust variations, but I can't see any reference of use beyond saying: 'Canterbury Class 11b Penny with legend EDWAR R ANGL DNS hYB and Large Faced Bust with rounded chin,' which is a little unsatisfactory. However, and to cut a long story short, I've just seen a reference on the net which says 'Class 11b2.' Where are they getting the extra reference add-on from? Is there a reference that classifies at a deeper level than the Withers book? Cheers in advance, and as always, gents!

Is that a leather album with slip case, Colin?

Milou, your English is fantastic, I only wish I could speak Greek so well. I'm very much in love with your Greek culture and islands.

I just thought it was me! Anyway, I'm guessing a nice A5 album in leather isn't something that's known? Oh, well, no worries, I'll just have to expand Edward II in both directions and fill that A4+ bad-boy album with the entire Plantagenet dynasty! I can handle it!

Thanks, Rob, interesting and intriguing! I might come back to this thread in a bit!

OK, that would explain the one I've just seen punched with a cosher bust of Elizabeth! Thanks, chaps!

Just a quick question. Did the medieval mint manufacture its own 'official' coin weights?

Oh, whoops! Regarding your other post about an NGC grade for your coin. I think you'll find a lot of people on here still haven't fathomed their system? For my own part I have seen so many inconsistencies in their product, that I have also never troubled myself to understand it.

Welcome aboard, John! I know there's a prominent member here who set up a gold sovereign website. He might be a good contact along the way? Regarding your other post about a CGS grade for your coin, I think you'll find a lot of people on here still haven't fathomed their system? For my own part I have seen so many inconsistencies in their product, that I have also never troubled myself to understand it. The short answer to your question is CGS will give you the precise answer you are looking for. If they don't, then you might need to question why you are using them? Enjoy the forum, there are some very intelligent men of coins on here!

Goodness me, this looks like a new VERY intelligent move by the counterfeiters to 'blend in' with the mass market by making lesser grade coins? The kind that might entice a middle-market collector to step unwittingly out of their comfort zone? Somebody needs to face this full-on with a dedicated and properly functional website, that looks at all these 'problems' at the die and micro level.

The 1860 halfpennies can't surely be modern copies to deceive the discerning collector in that condition? Wouldn't be worth it? Would love to know how they came by that number though?

Hah, yes, indeed! Strangely I've never fancied the cabinet thing, not sure why? Whilst I don't think I shall ever find them in a grade that interests me (not that I'm even going to look for them at the moment), but there are a good number of legend variations, even for the Crown N! And then there's... I do think a full-size coin album could be pushing it though?

Andy Jack is selling them for £28 with free post at the minute, which is a bargain. I just don't know about such a large album? I'd never find that farthing again if I put it in there!

I want a really nice leather coin album, with an attractive spine and a slip case! I've managed to find a reasonable product by Numis, but it's the slightly bigger album (A4 size - a little wider). I'd ideally like something A5 ish in size (pocket size, but not really), has anyone ever come across such a thing? Something that holds 6 x 2" coin flips per page would be perfect! Edit to add link: http://www.duncannon.co.uk/detail.asp/c=86/q=1/sku=NUMIS%20LEATHER%20BINDER

I'll kick that one off for Elizabeth I if I may? I think we'll have to go for an imposing shilling, one of the fine silver (.916) series, bearing the iconic Lis! Of course, 1k won't buy us a top flight wire-line coin, but we can have a reasonable wire-line AND beaded inner-circle Lis shilling for a grand. So, we'll have a Lis shilling with perhaps bust 2A or 2B! That's my 1k proposal for Elizabeth I

It's right up there, Scotsman, a lovely coin, the second set of pictures are better but, as Rob said, we'd need to see it as a higher-res image, so it can be enlarged on the screen. It's a possible AU, or even UNC, going by the 2nd set of images? Better are needed, though!

Was pretty uninspiring yesterday too! edit: I did buy a farthing though to keep me excited about things! I'm not going to look anymore, though, just too difficult! By the time I've researched and learned about the coin I'm looking at, I've already fallen in love with it! Big problem!

I'd definitely go penny for the cartwheel.

Maybe a groat? Liz, or more iconic still, Henry VIII?

Take it steady old chap, enjoy the evening! I used to love prawns before i went soft! Enjoy!

Can anybody else shed some light on this point below too? - Spink has the first coinage of Edward III marked as indistinguishable from the Edward II coins (Type 30-32). Is this still the position, or does Withers attribute them more precisely? I'm sensing from the 'net that the Edward II dies likely continued into the first coinage of Edward III, so are we only looking at early strikes (undamaged punches/dies) for the confident attribution of ANY Edward II farthing?

Thanks, Colin. I guess, as the most detailed study to-date, I will also be running with Withers as my primary reference, adding North and Spink only as points of interest. Am I correct in thinking that crown N is exclusive to type 30 (I will have the book in the next few days)? I've also read that crown N, with its 'wire-line' band, broke up fairly early on in the type, leaving the majority of crown N coins with fractured/no band? I've looked at as many 'Ns' as possible, and have noticed that the missing bits in the band can sometimes reappear on in the later Withers 30s. Do you think we are seeing clogs, rather than damage, though it may/likely have broke up eventually, but perhaps a bit later? My point re the broken/clogged band, is whether you consider it safe to assume that a perfect crown would come from an early part of the reign? Thanks, again!

Now hang on, does Edward I also have crown N on some of his later coins?