Coinery

My thoughts: Essentially we have the Class 5 crown (image here from Withers’ Galata Guide to The Pennies of Edward I and II, 2006), common to Classes 5, 6 and the early 7s. Simply put (I think?), if a coin has crown 5 with a pellet on the breast it’s Class 5, and if it has crown 5 with a rose on the breast, then it’s Class 7…all other coins are Class 6 (as I best understand it). So onto Class 6 and some of the things I’m trying to reconcile? Firstly, Withers haven’t divided Class 6a into 6a1 and 6a2, unlike Blunt and North (North in his interpretation simply suggests there is a variety of 6a), which does make some sense given the following. Withers’ Class 6a (or Blunt’s 6a1) is primarily identified by the plain/greek cross and obvious crude workmanship and bust which has almond eyes - the Withers and Blunt images appear to be exactly the same coin for this type (believed to be a best known example, though I’ve yet to see the reverse), with my own (newly acquired) coin from the same die, the only other example I can uncover (so other known coins or images greatly appreciated). There is just one possible anomaly with 6a which I haven’t yet cleared up? The North 6a plate coin looks to be what Withers’ might be calling (at least in their text) a 6b? Essentially they are saying there exists ‘a London [6b] die with B of hYB punched over the initial cross,’ unless of course this also happened in another die they’ve seen? I managed to find a clearer online image of this error on a different coin (highly likely from the same die as North’s plate coin?), appearing to have been sold by Spink, who themselves attribute it as 6a. Maybe it’s a typo in the Withers book, with the line intended to go under the 6a text, or that there is indeed another die with a similar error but on a 6b coin? The North plate coin, and the Spink error-coin image, certainly appear to be 6a coins? Other than this the 6a (or 6a1) looks to be relatively straight forward. However, the difference between the other class 6 coins becomes slightly more tricky, with 6a2 and 6b both sharing a cross pattee initial mark. Withers and North go nowhere near the eyes for 6b, but Blunt states clearly that the two faces used on 6b coins now have pellet pupils, leaving (as far as Blunt is concerned at least) all the almond-eyed cross pattee coins to the rank of 6a2, or not belonging to 6b at any rate. Blunt also marries 6b with long, sloping shoulders and a better bust styling (I agree). However, where does this leave Withers’ 6b plate coin (rounded chin)? This would surely be a 6a2 under Blunt’s assertion? Unless of course these are pellet eyes, and where it gets complicated for me, in view of the example that follows? I’ve seen our own @descartes old 6a2 coin (changed hands again quite recently), which was validated by DG as such, but this appears to me to have something more transitional than almond eyes, certainly less almond than the Withers’ plate 6b coin? All very unclear, and maybe the reason Withers stayed well clear of it? I think the 6b (and the 6a under Withers) is a clear class with its new, stylish bust, long sloping shoulders and pellet eyes, but 6a2, where that one slots in is not so clear for me, even when taking the lettering into account? Anyone want to chuck something in the mix? I’d really like to wrap my head around this one, once and for all!

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Hi @Chris Perkins are we anywhere near a fix for these issues, yet? I have to confess I don’t envy you trying to maintain a forum like this.

Not my area but an interesting read…and 30,000, wow!

I’d say the reverse is VF but the obverse NVF. So overall hovering a whisker below VF for me. In reality we’d only be talking small £s between the two grades anyway.

No, unfortunately, I missed my bid 😩

Glad it’s gone to a good home at least! Well done…I did wonder! ☺️

How much coin would, say, Elizabeth Tudor have given out as Maundy coinage, and how much of that coinage would’ve actually been handled by, or been in direct possession of, the queen? How would the ceremony have worked/happened? Would it have been mixed denominations, or just pennies? I’ve recently learned that pennies were given out as Maundy, would there be others? Many thanks in advance!

Felt extremely stupid to have missed this ex Shuttlewood, eglantine penny, after my alarm failed to go off (I’m between nightshifts at the moment). Hammered at £260 - how cheap was that for such a great example!

Another glitch! I couldn’t edit the above post just seconds later (I wanted to remove ‘anyway’)…it said the post cannot be edited as it’s either been deleted or is too old! 😩

I’ll be interested to see what this fetches, as I think it’s aesthetically awful, but is apparently NGC AU58. I bought one of Chris Comber’s Anchor Shillings, which is at least a grade less, but I prefer mine to the NGC graded piece by a golden mile!

Anyway, it sold for £860, I thought the Americans might push it into the stratosphere…still prefer mine at £298

Possibly, but there’s something other than contrast about this coin for me. My main bother is balance, the flat spots fall awkwardly for me, and the area at the obverse 3 o’clock is either crushed or corroded, which is also way too much for me. It’s a rare coin I guess, but…

Correct 👍

What are these worth, now? I’ll be bidding.

100% agree with you. Eye appeal on a technically lower graded coin, outranks a higher graded “road accident” on just about every occasion IMHO

Having said that, try and buy a nice Elizabeth Halfgroat…VERY difficult

I think so…it’ll be interesting to see what the slab actually represents in this particular example. We have an essentially scarce to, more likely, rare shilling (around 10-20 across auctions and eBay in the last 10 years [including the dross], so maybe 30+ available around, maybe a few more?), sitting as a “top pop,” but likely on account of the infrequency an anchor shilling is slabbed by NGC…it could even be the only one? Will bidders potentially gather in expectation of it being the finest known? I hope not!

The link! https://ebay.us/m/otVMw2

Pot hook N and star on breast a clear class London 9b

Or Charles I, you’ll have to take a closer look at the legends under a good light 👍

A Stuart copper farthing!

Yes, the Short Cross is Henry III class 7 and the moneyer is indeed TERRI of London. The long cross is class 3 and Canterbury (O\| CANT)

Don’t forget your scales, they’re a cheap and very worthy item too! You could always check out Rob’s website to see if he has any on there, he sells most things? 👍 https://rpcoins.co.uk/

No, I’m talking about this link as being your SECOND Elizabeth threefarthings! You were saying you only had ONE, I was merely pointing out that you have TWO!