Coinery

The class 3 and 9 coins available in much better grades generally.

Does anyone have any insight into the relative scarcity of the three Newcastle classes, measured against themselves? Over the last 3 or 4 years I’ve managed to pick up a class 3 and a class 9 in good grades, but have struggled to find the class 10 in a similarly collectable grade, with the attached coin, bearing the full Edward legend, the best I’ve found to-date.

Just highlighting the edited info., latter additions to the above post, the type of information an academic should be drawing attention to himself, lest he be lacking in rigor!

- Absolutely ridiculous…to say I’ve approached/emailed Michael would not, in the least, be a breach of privacy, it would represent a very normal conversation held on a numismatic forum like this. “You are resorting to personal insults simply because a newcomer's analysis turned out to be correct.” - Absolutely ridiculous…I was the first person to say I believed you had an interesting coin with a likely new variety imho! “since you bring nothing but toxicity to the thread, you are now on my ignore list.” - Absolutely ridiculous…you were already earmarked to be on mine first! 🙏

I think you’ll find the 🤷‍♂️ was about a frustration that you baited the forum for weeks, only to share a point of interest with a private message! As I say, a manipulator, a game-player…well below me, m’friend! Big blessings, I hope you find your happy place in numismatics, and hopefully not here 🙏

I’ve been on this forum for many years, dodging many people like you, thereby avoiding losing my privileges on here! But, I have to say, you are 100% the kind of game-playing arsehole that a forum of even-tempered, socially-skilled, intellectuals could well do without! I hope you tire of this site soon, and migrate asap to these other sources that acknowledge and endorse your approaches so much more congenially.

🤷‍♂️

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Just returning to this…I agree with your Berwick classification. Re the portrait, it could be all that extra hair on his forehead, that’s unusual? Otherwise it all looks normal to me, the classic wonky chin, all rather Gollumesque 🙂

Spink are offering an Historical Documents auction to their clients which features, among selected rarities, two important collections: The John Webb Collection of Important English Civil War Documents – A collection some 50 years in a ever-so-careful and judicious making… How absolutely fabulous is that? I’d love to have some of those documents!

Hmmm, ok…I’m starting to feel I must be out of touch, that all 3 of the posted coins are marked-up at double their value, yet they wouldn’t be prepared to accept market price on stock that has sat around for a while? Anyway, the post was simply an aside, light coining banter, nothing more. When that Edward I class 1c penny has sold, they’re more than welcome to sell my two! Unfortunately, I’ve already parted with my 1700 shilling for £480, so I might have to sing for the remaining £500 😬

Maybe it’s just your natural approach to things, but I can’t imagine for a second it’ll encourage free unguarded comments going forward, that’s all!

No, just that it’s a very juvenile way of communicating with adults. We’re all interested in these things, but this definitely fell short of the way I like to discuss things with others.

Gosh, let’s be straight with each other, how is that going to encourage future comments on your posts? That’s ridiculously underhand!

That’s an exceedingly unrealistic position you’re holding there! Statistically the chances are very high, so do you buy what is currently available or not?

More than double their market value in these cases, I’ll stand by the post, $/€/£ conversions or otherwise. @coinkat do you think they’re pricing these in expectation of walking away with 50% of the asking price? What surprised me most, and the reason I shared this post in the first place, was my discovery that CNG are actually on eBay at all, it seems a little beneath them, especially with such incredulous pricing. They’re a serious and respected numismatic mainstay, aren’t they?

https://ebay.io/m/xisefw

I’ve definitely seen less convincing overdates and legend errors…I personally think that is a very intriguing coin. I’ll leave it to the penny gurus but, for me, I could easily be convinced there’s a T involved.

I wasn’t so much asking for a grade, just that it was a million miles off being an MS64, even if the reverse was FDC. I did include the link to the upcoming sale, where the reverse is available for viewing. Unfortunately, most people who will be bidding on the coin will only have the integrity of the grading company’s number and the images to back it up. Speaking only for myself, I think both are questionable.

Apparently so! You’d normally expect to be ‘safe’ around those grades…staggeringly bad!

Agreed!

https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/view/4-M8HXGK/hanover-victoria-1837-1901-ar-sixpence-dated-1887-pcgs-ms-64

Brilliant, on both counts! re the hammered, there has been so many monyers and dies, across so many cities, with Bishops and emergency coinage, etc., etc., that new varieties are appearing all the time! However, mostly, with hammered, it’s still grade and eye-appeal that remains king, and it appears that most people pick that up quite quickly, unfortunately! One caveat to this is of course finding something in the ground that’s historically unknown for a mint or king, then you might be on to something…this seems to happen quite frequently with the early medieval period.