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There are three listings in bookfinder, from £225 - 335. The Art and Craft of Coinmaking. A History of Minting Technology (ISBN: 0907605273 / 0-907605-27-3 ) Cooper, Denis R. http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/ListingDetails?bi=1559809639 John

I can't clearly see the dates on your images, so I've attached a link to Michael Goubys listing of the various overdate types for the 1858 penny. http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/cp_1858.htm John

First 1870 Proof I have ever seen, Thankyou for posting John

It is a model, play/toy money, all denominations from bank notes down to fractional farthngs. I have copied the following from Token Society, author D Magnay. Toy Coin has become an all embracing heading for items that look like "real coins" - coins of the Realm - but are not or were not "spending money". The generally accepted view is that "Toy" is of miniature size and an imitation. There are plenty of sub divisions, for the specialist, but by far the largest series and those most usually found are a huge selection of miniature imitation coins of actual currency. There were several issuers but the firm of Lauer, of Nuremberg, Germany, were the main engravers and strikers of miniature replica imitation currency coins, usually between 12mm and 14mm in diameter, for many countries from about 1880 until about 1950. The largest issue was for Germany, followed by Britain, followed by most of Europe, Scandinavia and the USA. The metals used were brass for the gold denominations, iron - usually thinly plated for protection - for the silver denominations, but sometimes zinc or nickel, and copper for the copper denominations. The purpose of these coins was to show off the engraving expertise of the firm and act as advertising for their business, for sale as toys for children and for dolls houses, for educational and teaching purposes and as specific promotional items for other businesses. As it is a lightly collected series, in comparison to currency collecting, even the rarer types fetch only a few pounds, although some box sets with full contents do achieve higher prices. John

Fairly common, very short date range, WIIII 1834, 35, 36 & 37, Victoria 1838, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 60 & 62, there is a proof in the series the very rare 1870. They were never used/circulated in the UK, only in the colonies of British Guyana, Jamaica, Sri Lanka and Trinidad.

Received from Lady Admin on this forum. Regards Bob I got the same message this morning too.

I would say it is possibly a farthing, Britainniars helmet doesen't protrude the legend on Rev as it would with a Penny, and the Obv looks similar to the penny Obv. Check the diameter, Coppers are the following sizes - 34mm Penny, 28mm Halfpenny and 22mm Farthing. John

I would say it is possibly a farthing, Britainniars helmet doesen't protrude the legend on Rev as it would with a Penny, and the Obv looks similar to the penny Obv. Check the diameter, Coppers are the following sizes - 34mm Penny, 28mm Halfpenny and 22mm Farthing. John

Looking at the reverse I would say it is a farthing, A simple check is the diameter, 22mm farthing, 28mm Halfpenny, 34mm Penny John

I wasn't discussing varieties and according to the Royal Mint, £5 coins are legal tender.

Try http://www.galata.co.uk/, they have a good catalogue and should be able to advise on the best for your needs John

The Gentleman referred to could be Michal Gouby, who had some input into Satins work, I received the following email from Michael this morning, For several years now I have been working to replace my 1986 book “The British Bronze Penny 1860 to 1970â€. I have been partly successful in that I have managed to complete the Victorian section from 1860 to 1901. There is so much new material in that just that period that it has become a ‘stand-alone’ book. Actually, to be more precise, I am publishing TWO books on that period but that does not mean that you need two books. The attachment enclosed should give you the details of what each book contains. Details are also now on our website: http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/Vic%20Bronze%201d.htm

They generally sell for a few pounds each, dependent on condition, there isn't a great following, collectors tend to be specialists in either country, type, or manufacturer i.e Moore, Lauer etc... and only the rarest, best condition, and complete sets reach full potential, there were two complete boxed sets of similar models at Lockdales last year which, I seem to remember, sold for just over £50 each. Include model and/or toy coins within the title/description for best results if Ebaying. John

S. G. Onions produced a series of coins in 1843 for educational purposes - for teaching in schools and at home. There are 10 main denominations from "1 SOVEREIGN IS 1 POUND" down to "4 FARTHINGS MAKE 1 PENNY". The portrait is always of the baby PRINCE ALBERT, PRINCE OF WALES (later King Edward VII) and each reverse has the correct number of dots for the denomination to help with counting. For example, "12 PENCE MAKE 1 SHILLING" has 12 dots. The coins range from only 11mm diameter to 17mm diameter. A variety of metals were used but the base metal is usually either copper or brass.

I have a similar thing. On the obverse is a baby's head with the legend HRH ALBERT PW, and the engraver's initials below, on the reverse it simply says 12 PENCE MAKE ONE SHILLING. It's copper, a little smaller than a 5 pence but thicker. I used to have two, identical, but I lost one of 'em.

The first four are minature medalats by Joseph Moore, I'd need to see images, they came in boxed sets usually of six but the content varied between the first issue 1844 and the later issues up to 1848. The last could be a model fractional farthing, either and 8th or 16th, not seen a 18th.

It is a Two Sovereign watch fob piece; Rodgers 1460-1465. doesn't give any details of the manufacturer

It is a Two Sovereign watch fob piece; Rodgers 1460-1465. doesn't give any details of the manufacturer

'Coins of all nation' sets are relatively inexpensive coin type sets by Franklin mint, coins tend to be from between 1980-1990, some sets are very collectable like Russia and some of the smaller nations. John

I haven't managed to find one. I phoned Spink earlier today, they don't have the book in stock, but I did manage to find an old thread on here which gives JJerrams address as: PO Box 63, Stockport, Cheshire, SK4 5BU That's as far as I have got..... You could try that address - I wrote to him once to get the booklet, and we had a laugh about his postcode. By the way, my edition is 1999, but in it he talks about the 'previous issue', so there must be a very rare first strike somewhere !! I have been in touch with John Jerrams via Michael Gouby, I invited him to the Forum regarding this thread and peoples interest in his work, he sent back a reply to Michael which was forwarded to me. Hi John, Here is John Jerram's answer to my email and yours. I think he has moved on ! All the best Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen jerrams To: michael Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Satin Coins - Reference Work Dear Michael...Thank-you very much for your email...I really am amazed at how many people seem to want a copy of my work, now that I have no wish to continue.You have to draw the line some where and my time came in 2003...I do have someone willing to turn the booklet into a book but his progress has been remarkably slow - maybe I could just photo-copy the whole effort again just so that a few more collectors can use the information !! - but I really do have other things to concern myself with nowadays.....All the best for now...Cheers, John(Jerrams) --- On Mon, 12/10/09, michael wrote: From: michael Subject: Fw: Satin Coins To: "Jerrams, John (Satin)" < > Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 9:44 AM Hi John, I received the following email from a colleague this morning. So if you have some copies of your book left there are customers out there wanting them ! I spent the weekend reading proofs of my next books and after some minor corrections it should be ready for publication in early November. All the best Michael To: michael@michael-coins.co.uk Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Satin Coins Michael, I think you mentioning knowing John Jerrams from previous emails. Seems Tony Crockers sale has reawakened the interest in Johns publication and a few people on Predecimal forum are actively looking to find a copy of his work. I am sure you mentioned he has retired from coins but thought I would mention it in case he wanted to contribute or offer copies his work to forum members wanting copies. Link below http://www.predecimal.com/forum/index.php?...amp;#entry34230 John

Satin references are the creation of John Jerrams of Satin Coins, he published a paperback in 2001. 'The early british bronze 'bun' pennies, 1860 to 1865 (inclusive), and their varieties (Currency issues) The publication was researched with the aid of the late Laurie Bamford, Bob Franks, Michael Gouby, Bernie Workman, Dr D Ball , Paul Holland and other enthusiasts. John

I have attached a couple of links to Articles that may help with your research. http://library.uvic.ca/site/spcoll/brown/nelson.html http://www.bath.ac.uk/holburne/muse/search...seumNumber=J106 John

Two conclusions : 1. That incomplete 6 is a known flaw on 1860/59 pennies 2. The person responsible saw the CC coin and 'doctored' another date to look similar Like everyone who has posted here, I am not convinced that this is a genuine article and would not entertain a bid. That said, I have yet to see anyone definitively prove to me that this piece is not what it says it is. I can see things in the pictures that I want to see (ie tampering). Or it might just be a poor picture of a real piece. All of the conclusions thus far are merely speculative. I don't think this is as "cut and dry" as that 1905 shilling was. Real items do pop up in this fashion from time to time. Earlier this year I took a gamble and bought a raw 1871 halfpenny on ebay, bad washed-out picture and all, for a price that was "too good to be true." It turned out to be genuine, uncleaned and mint state (probably gEF by Brit standards). I have had a chat with the seller and he supplied me with some close ups of the coin including the date and reverse, and answered questions regarding the differences with the image sizes, background etc.. Comparing the coin with my Library and the recent Baldwins and Colin Cooke coins, I would say, in my opinion, it is a genuine Gfine/Vf 1860/59 Penny.

Very useful, Thankyou for posting

Here are a couple of references to Monarchy, order/date in which Kings and Queens ascended, Tony Clayton Site gives good information on types and dates of denominations for each Monarch and finally this site gives a glossary on decimal and Predecimal coinage linked to the Home page. Monarch matrix http://www.britainexpress.com/History/monarchs.htm Tony Claytons Site http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html John