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I wondered if anyone had an explanation or theory as to why this coin may have sold for such a high price (on the face of it?). http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enamel-1804-George-III-Dollar-Five-Shilling-Coin-or-Crown-Bank-of-England-/190894025711?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=MA2hHJicuYE7HrSG8XId4l4UliM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc I acquired an extremely attractive and high quality enameled 1821 Crown as an example for my collection a few months ago for around £32, and watching them before and since they seem to all go for £20-£40, but this one has fetched over 10x the going rate, any ideas anyone?

The one's I have seen the observes are never enameled, nearly always a brooch and therefore completely wrecked (as a pure coin) ... I was just taken by the huge disparity in prices paid between the ones I have witnessed, the one in my OP and the example you have posted Historic ...

Bizarre, that one's not particularly attractive or well done IMO!

I won 2 lots at the previous DNW auction and they were extremely efficient, the coins arrived within 4 days

That's beyond dispute for all prog rock fans, it did get rather silly and pretentious after that for a while IMO for many prog bands but I didn't mind at the time!

Thanks Rob! I find plenty in my searches but they often fail the eye appeal test! Haven't looked at these yet though ...

Thanks Dave, well remembered! My list is currently: George II LIMA HC in EF or betterCharles II HC in VF or betterGeorge I CR in VF or better

Spink lists this at £600 in Fine, but I'm not sure what value I would guess at in that condition with verd ... hopefully others might have better idea than me! I'm going to take a shot in the (almost) dark and say £60-£100.

And somewhere in the distance a clock is slowly chiming ...

Do you have the eBay no. or link to the one finishing in <40 mins Dave? Edit: Guess I missed it, what did it go for, any more shilling?

What a tremendous haul Declan, absolutely love the 1799 and OH shillings in particular! It's so great to be able to examine them in the hand and not pay any commission or postage into the bargain isn't it!

I would agree with Dave. Bradley (A Handbook of Coins of the British Isles) states that 'In 1800 the rise in the cost of silver meant that dollars had to be revalued to 5s." I take this to mean (if correct) that all dollars in circulation at the time (whether oval or octagonal countermarked) were then worth 5 shillings from this time, as of course was the B of E Dollar dated 1804.

Chris at Buckscoins said the same to me, and subsequently added: "He (the auctioneer) came and spoke to me before the sale but we had already spotted it was genuine"

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360732314114;jsessionid=4C6724ABCFB2849440D57A1CABB1C706?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D360732314114%26_rdc%3D1

Thanks Rpeddie, that's exactly what I and I think others wanted to know

It would be really interesting to know why CGS effectively said they were fakes ... I know you don't get this info when you enter the UIN on their website, but I have had a coin rejected by them as a forgery and they explained why, have they given you that information?

From the same seller who has a listing stating: "also do not levee bad feedback until you have contacted me fist" That's hilarious, probably a BNTA member I should imagine

Well it's not April 1st! If true, the estimate could be way way out!!

I know I've said it once but I'm going to say it again ... I can't believe the price it went for either!!!! With BP that's over £4500, and if he sells it at auction as genuine and isn't rumbled, with no provenance, he will need to realise over £5500 just to break even (assuming commission at 20%) ... I am completely dumbfounded!!

I can't believe the price it went for either! For convenience, here is what London Coins say about it: "1658 Oliver Cromwell high quality imitation in silver 30.1 grams nEF some dimples and surface bubbles reverse which would be inconsistent with the genuine issue, clearly a sharply struck rather than cast piece with edge lettering bold and of high quality, origin unknown and in need of further research"

Shorry, no mishtake here, shir. lol

Not sure - it's definitely not a matt proof, but it has a superb obverse strike. Perhaps 'specimen' is the 'new Choice' ? I assumed that too! Aware of the description for certain coins/types but not generally!!

dvw, I can let you have my Spink 2009 for the cost of P&P only if you would like it? Please PM me if interested

I agree, and will also watch with interest ... I have also been surprised by how much 'Ashmore Coins' sell for on eBay, surely they are just good modern replicas?

What to you think our friend Senor Lucido might mean by 'Specimen' here? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251324082190?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648