Paulus

Showing your age John. One day you'll be old enough to be happy with a Glenlivet and not the blonde from down the road. That's when to really complain! Happy birthday John, I wonder which would cost more? (in the long run!!)

That's just modern crap, the guy's talking out of his bottom. The genuine originals came in a twist of blue wax paper. Another sad old git who remembers them. Those were the days, when salt overload wasn't a requirement for eating crisps. Lets face it, when was the last time you had a choice of salted or unsalted? These days I think that only applies to butter!

I just hadn't seen such a low grade slabbed, and yes it does seem a little harsh! VG 8 is equivalent to Fair I believe, i.e. 'very little detail visible'

VG 8 lololol http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1696-ENGLAND-1-2-CROWN-SILVER-COIN-NGC-slabbed-VG-8-scarce-/330824632342?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4d06af4816

I would agree with GVF for the Obverse, can we see the Reverse, how are the dates?

1718 Shilling in VF (?) for comparison:

Agreed, they would have to be Fine or thereabouts at that price!

I have just acquired this from Mr Gouby and would be interested in your thoughts. High Res pics when received. According to Michael it might be a 5 over 5, a variety unlisted in my copies of Spink and ESC. I don't normally collect varieties such as this, preferring to keep my money for such elusive-in-affordable-decent-grades as Charlie 2 elephants and plumes (now there's a rare combination!), but this one has sparked my interest. I don't know how long it has been in Michael's stock but I also wonder if some of you know of it as it has apparently been the subject of some debate, although possibly not on this forum. ALL comments welcome!

Here's mine, 1.8g, hope it's okay!

Not at all, I have little idea about such things! I have bought it as a nice grade 1825, the wonky 5 is just added interest ... Michael says on his web site that others have suggested it may be 5/3 but that seems unlikely/impossible! So I thought I would throw it open for debate

I can't see the images up-close on the phone but, my instant thought was, if Michael could at best say 'it MIGHT be' a 5/5, then you'd need to find some other very convincing 5/5 dies for it to be anything other than a '5' in the market place! If Michael, with his seat well established in the micro-market, can't give you a letter of affirmation, then it's a difficult one, to say least! Would be great to research it and get it in Spink's, though! A satisfying YES! Good luck, Paulus! Can't define why it inspires me Stuart, normally these claims do the opposite, but I respect Michael and the coin is worthy of what I paid regardless! Looking forward to some research though and if one day I got a new variety recognised that would be amazing!

If the underlying digit has a longer more curved tail and the top is straight, it could be a 5/3 just as easily as a 5/5. The first would be interesting, the second not. Thanks Rob. Again, according to Michael, the consensus has been that it is 5/3 but he thinks it is 5/5! When you say 'interesting' if it is 5/3, what is the rarity do you know/think? You would need to see it in hand. If a 5/3 then I've not seen one. Spink or ESC wouldn't list a 5/5 because there's no point as by extension, any reasonably large mintage with have a good number of repaired and reworked dies, all of which would lead to a new variety. People get too tied up with a slightly misaligned set of punches when it is well known that to impress a character requirs more than one blow. It's rather more surprising that so many dates and legends are entered without any visible double cutting, particularly so you are trying to recut a hardened die. That situation frequently leads to a series of offset cuts on account of the greater effort and hence less accuracy required to make an impression on the die. That makes perfect common sense, thanks Rob

If the underlying digit has a longer more curved tail and the top is straight, it could be a 5/3 just as easily as a 5/5. The first would be interesting, the second not. Thanks Rob. Again, according to Michael, the consensus has been that it is 5/3 but he thinks it is 5/5! When you say 'interesting' if it is 5/3, what is the rarity do you know/think?

That's how I started too, with a 'Check my change' approach to 50ps and £2 coins when I cant find any early milled silver at the grade and price I want!! Now in danger of being sucked in to piedforts!!

May get £3 on the Bay

I collect pennies but am not aware of anyone really collecting misalignments, other than as an interesting curio. To be honest, I rarely check alignment so whilst certainly not common, it's hard to accurately estimate rarity. Interesting all the same, and a good spot! I think if it was 180 degrees out it would cause more interest. I have a 1948 penny that is 160-170 degrees so nearly there. Just checked mine, most are 360 degrees out ...

Best I can do for an Anne R&P from my collection (shilling) ... I am sure others can do much better but my pockets are not deep enough, or I wasn't collecting 20 years ago!

Thanks you guys! First birthday since I joined the forum, and to think I used to try and get by without it! I shall buy something unusual and post it when I have it

Blimey that's worth over £3K!

Can't get pic to upload. That would be hugely expensive! Wouldn't it? What is the most valuable/rare one you have and the hardest to find do you think? I have the £5 Elizabeth 1st and £2 Bank of England

It was quite funny, the cow looked a bit like Chris!

I know many of you love debating these things, is this coin worthy of GVF-nEF money In Your Humble Opinions? Thanks

Wonderful magazine even though I haven't bought one for 25 years. My favourite was Buster Gonads and his unfeasibly large testicles. Brilliant. Terry F**kwit and Top Tips had me laughing out loud on the bus For those that it has passed by, this is the kind of 'Top Tip' (very very silly): "A mouse trap placed on top on of your alarm clock will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep"

Wonderful magazine even though I haven't bought one for 25 years. My favourite was Buster Gonads and his unfeasibly large testicles. Brilliant. Terry F**kwit and Top Tips had me laughing out loud on the bus

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