Paulus

Happy birthday!

Ah. Those were the days….. I was a few years older than you, but yes, 76-77 was a fine time to be around. Never saw the Sex Pistols but I did get to see the Clash a few times. You missed nothing! The most overhyped band of all time, but I do realise it's impossible for anyone from the Punk Generation to be "unMacLarened" You're not wrong! I remember laughing out loud when they released Flogging a Dead Horse (Vol 1), talk about blatant (and blatant irony) - genius I guess!

All of which should mean your eBay auction goes well BD, good luck with it!

What grade would you give it Rob?

This is the little chap I believe: link

Welcome to the forum BD! Was the dealer buying or selling? Not too adept at grading hammered but I would say it's better than Fine (F), maybe nVF, and nice and round with eye appeal (for me). Is it yours?

I collect all milled silver denominations, and a smattering of copper and bronze for added interest (and colour)!

Given the results they get, surely it's an option when selling highish grade slabbed stuff?

You've ignored the fact that 99,999 of them are 1967 pennies, 1981 or 1965 crowns, or "ultra rare" washers... I haven't ignored or assumed anything, just observed that there are a record number of listings and hope it might mean some increased interest in the hobby ... or of course it might mean nothing at all ... in fact I suspect if I was to do some further analysis it would show that most of the increase is down to decimal listings, especially 50ps, and that the quality of the grades listed was at an all time low! It was just an observation, nothing more.

Would be very interested in any report from the battlefront, Rob and/or Steve!

Apropos of nothing I noticed today for the first time (that I have noticed) that the number of British coin listings on eBay UK currently exceeds 100,000 Despite this being a great time in theory for buying and selling coins (auction season, holidays largely over, pay-day just happened for many), I am hoping this is further indication of the continued popularity of coin collecting as a hobby ... or could just be wishful thinking, they are all sellers after all!

Just felt like pointing out that here we are again, auction season, and London Coins (the UK's leading coin auctioneers, according to their web site) still do not have internet bidding - are they stupid or what?? There are a couple of coins I won't be bidding on, but otherwise would ... I cannot go to the auction in personI don't trust that an email/postal/phone maximum bid necessarily delivers the same result as if you were there (virtually or actually)

Brill, I could go to the Brisbane coin fair and crack open a tinny with Garrett

By the way, there's a coin club in Manchester Russ (is that still going Rob, I don't know the name of it? I remember you took a moody Chas I shilling I had along on one occasion ...)

Let's play this - what position in the table do people think Man U will finish in the table this year? I will be generous and say 5th.

Many of the George III modern copies have an inverted axis (perhaps deliberately?), which is a dead give-away of course. If the inverted coin is genuine I would have thought it would be worth a small fortune, given the popularity of bun penny varieties?

Rob makes the point that these marks are a die clash and die flaw, so would be on both coins if the same die was used? And assuming that's the case, why are there some clear differences on the obverses?

It has definitely been cleaned. The worrying thing for me is that the teeth on the 2 obverses are nothing like the same. Given they both have to be derived from the same obverse die given the clash below the chin and the flaw below the bun, why are they so different when there is very little apparent wear? Does anyone know how many dies were used for this date, or are there any other examples with the features of the inverted axis coin? Chingford? Bizarre indeed ... here are the 2 lots side by side for ease of comparison (inverted lot 2666 on the left, conventional lot 2667 on the right):

The catalogue description for the inverted example (lot 2666, the first 2 links Rob posted) states: "Penny 1860 60 over 59 Copper as Peck 1521 but with inverted die axis, previously unseen by this cataloguer and possibly unique, NEF perhaps once cleaned now almost fully retoned, sold to the vendor by Colin Cooke for £380, on meeting Colin at Spink Auction 23/3/1989 after the vendor purchased the other 1860 Copper Penny in this sale" Perhaps Neil has some info on it in the CC archives?

Absolutely, I agree that it is a poor term to use - but I think all the TPGs use it, not just CGS. With low populations it inevitably leads to silly situations, like this 1826 'finest known' 6d, which is graded as 10 (VG) http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=retailv2_details&uin=0028502

My understanding is that a conflict of interest is not evidence of, and does not even imply, any wrong doing. Here is the wiki definition "A conflict of interest is a situation occurring when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent of the occurrence of impropriety."

Welcome along Russ, do you have a focus to your 'new' collection yet?

I am not suggesting for a moment that their is any suspicion of "undue preference or 'special treatment' ", but London Coins do have a lot of CGS graded coins for sale on their web site (not through auction, so they are dealers not just an auction house), including well over 100 'finest knowns' ...

I take very little notice of the CGS valuation, and never quote it when selling a CGS slabbed coin. IF their attribution, authentication and grading is consistent and accurate that is sufficient for me.