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I have several Vicky threenubs that are just essentially bullion value, they are .925 fine silver, but not a lot of it though.

Early 19th century Moroccan, these usually have dates in numerals which are familiar to westerners, so that people think they are dated 1323 or something, when in fact that is in the Hejira or Islamic calendar which makes it early 19th century. They are called falus or fals coins.

The fascinating aspect of these is that they are enigmatic, but the problem with them is that they are also enigmatic. So many of the very early tokens in Great Britain were light on inscriptions, as most people were not literate(only people in the church and few in government) so that most people could only make associations with something based on pictures etc. This particular piece might have been issued by a fishmonger, I have seen later tokens from the 17th century with fish on them that were indeed issued by people in that trade.

The pint is going flat...

That deal was with Chris only.

I still think we need to settle this with the pint Cause I will win, an' you'll buy the pint.

I think we need to have a hearty debate 'bout the definition of "evasion" Winner gets the pint.

I think they are worth more than most people would, unfortunately. I like the history behind such pieces, but I like the fringe of collecting sometimes, collecting contemporary counterfeits as part of the history of coinage and not scorning them. With some of my Scottish counterfeits of regal coinage I would actually pay more for the counterfeit than the real thing, especially with coppers, the penalty in Scotland and England as well then was death. It was more likely enforced early on in Scotland than in England. By the 18th century coinage had broken down so much in Britain that counterfeits were more or less tolerated to some extent.

I would tend to agree, but given that it is close to regal coinage I cannot concur with your opin. Maybe in theory whence it was produced that it could double as a commemorative medal, and it is more formal than even regal coinage in that notice GII title is noted as Georgius Secundus and not Georgius II as on the coinage. The purpose of evasion pieces was to steer around the law, not outwardly break it. At any rate, for whatever intent and purpose it was created, nothing detracts from the curiosity of said piece.

They are now referred to as "evasion pieces" given that they imitated regal coinage, but not close enough to be considered counterfeit. Most people would not have known the difference as they were illiterate, in the off chance they were literate they would not have cared as money was money. The 17th through early 19th centuries witnessed a dearth of coinage, all the while the economy grew at exponential pace, the coinage did not keep up. The result was evasion pieces, tokens, and even forged coins that were plated with silver etc. In many ways I think the alternative coinages from that time are more fascinating than the authentic regal issued coinage. Here in what is now the USA evasion pieces usually had George II on them, with ridiculous dates sometimes - like 1723 etc, to predate them from prior to George III's reign when most of them were in fact created and circulated.

Gram gave you something to treasure, if for no other reason than it came from Gram. Sometimes little gifts like that mean more than if they were gold. I still have a bag of pennies my Great Grandmother shined up for my 5th birthday and gave me.

It is a common medallion that was struck when Victoria ascended the throne in 1837. Under Salic law in Germany she could not ascend the Hannoverian throne, so her cousin Ernst assumed that throne. But there were many opins contemporarily that she should have been able to ascend such throne, and it would be fascinating to see what the difference in German history would have been should she have. For one, Hannover would not have been forcibly annexed into Prussia, and would have stood out in the German Unification in 1870-1871. The value is nominal, as noted above they are right common pieces.

My way of looking at it, my Irish and Scottish brethren got the short end of the stick as usual with the low denomination coins.

Well...

I doubt it, it is counterpunched with the leaf device, notice the indentations around the edge of the leaves, and the flattened detail on QV's portrait.

The leaf device on the reverse doesn't correspond with anything Lauer I have seen though. The obverse does though.

His own

I would guess that they are rather like domestic cats, with microscopic family jewels.

At least now he might get some...

Researchers have long debated whom was the first Scottish King to have actually instituted a native Scottish coinage. Whilst the Kingdom of Northumbria encompassed parts of Scotland up to the Forth River, it is believed that all of the Northumbrian coinage was minted in the south, ie York. Occasionally these coins are found in southern Scotland. Ca. 1980 there was a report in the press about a researcher determining that a coin was minted during the reign of Ecfrith of Deira and Northumbria (664-670 AD) in Scotland, but subsequent research has determined that this theory is not with due merit. Earlier volumes on Scottish Coinage, such as "The Coinage of Scotland" by J.D. Robertson have suggested that the first native Scottish coins were issued during the reign of Alexander I (1107-1124) however this is 19th century research, which has since been disproven. Without a doubt, David I issued coins in his name, and therefore is most likely the first Scottish monarch to have actually issued them as such. The first Scottish coins are believed to be those issued by King David I(1124-1153), previous to this time very few coins ever found their way into Scotland, though some Roman era and Northumbrian sceats are very occasionally found. The first issue of coins was ca. 1136, and was likely connected to the Scottish capture of Carlisle and it's mines. Even after the introduction of a native coinage, barter continued to the basis for the economy for many years. David I was the youngest son of Malcolm Canmore (1058-1093) and the third son to have acceded the throne after his father. His early years appear to have been spent in England, the birthplace of his mother, Margaret(whom was the sister of Edgar The Aetheling.) With his mother's sponsorship, and given his lower rank in the possibility of his inheriting the throne he spent much of his youth in the Church and was an accomplished student. In 1113 he was married to Matilda, whom was the daughter of the Earl of Northumberland. With this marriage he acquired lands south of the Hadrian's Wall in Northumberland, Huntington and Northampton. This acquisition would result in his being recognised as a Norman Baron. David's older brother, Alexander I, soon would recognise David as the sub-king of the Scottish lowlands as a result. In 1124 Alexander I died and the throne again was inherited by a son of Malcolm Canmore and David I would soon have the opportunity to forge Scotland into a united kingdom once more, as divisions existed from the earlier disputed monarchs of Scotland. Some of the legacies which were instituted during this reign included the creation of the counties of Scotland, which in effect lasted until 1975. Whilst there was a sound degree of harmony in Scotland, the opposite was true of her southern neighbour, England. The first English Civil War was in full swing, with Stephen (1135-1154) as King of England defending himself against Matilda, whom was the daughter of Henry with purportedly a better claim at the throne. Whilst the explanation of the English Civil War would take up volumes, it can be summarised in that David I of Scotland soon saw opportunity knocking and moved south in favour of his niece, Matilda in 1135. Despite having made this move, it is in retrospect, obvious that he was looking more for acquisition than assisting Matilda, as subsequently his support could be described as lukewarm at best. The move south resulted in the Scots acquiring Carlisle, with it's nearby mines, and importantly for coin collectors, it's mint. Coins had been struck in the name of Stephen since the previous year. The capture of the mint resulted in some coins in Stephen's name still being struck after the capture, but soon they began changing the dies and issued pennies in David's name. Many of the coins issued during this reign are quite similar to the English issues of Stephen, and this has led to some confusion given the fact that all of the coins from this era were quite crude by comparison with earlier issues. Workmanship on the coins had deteriorated, and legends on the coins were often blundered, the result of uneducated die cutters creating the coins. All of the coins of this era featured a portrait of the monarch, or more likely during this time a crude representation of him. The reverse was usually a short cross with pellets in the quarters of it. Later in the reign coins were minted in Berwick, Perth, Roxburgh and Edinburgh. This coin above was minted in Berwick, by the moneyer "Folpaut" and is S-5007 and SD11D-035.

I have mostly fakes of Scottish hammereds, for some reason they are not uncommon with AE coins during the 16th and 17th centuries, but only one fake Pound coin, curiously with the Scottish reverse, but the English legend, Decus et Tecumen.

We do have RHD vehicles here, usually the postal trucks. Rural postal carriers could benefit from RHD vehicles, they must have back problems. But alas I must hold out for the Triumph or Mini Cooper.

Too bad the car is right hand drive, and over there, at that price I would rather have that than my stupid little Pontiac.

Ag 97.95 Wt%, Cu 1.54 Wt%, Au 0.19 Wow, that is early in Henry's reign, obviously by the end of the reign Cu would have been much higher in percentage. I am not surprised that trace amounts of Au showed up, could have been a coin it rubbed against, but the silver percentage should not be that high, and I wonder how accurate the Medieval metallurgists were, ie the coin should be 92.5% Ag.

I have done that with hammered pennies, and remember having to use clean cotton towels and toothpicks to get them out.