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I see. Thank you Azda, but let us still pose the question vis a vis BNTA membership and code of ethics.

Thanks Azda and Paulus. I appreciate it and the consensus (i.e. it's not just me). I was looking at Edward VII stuff today and for the life of me - the ear was incuse! Brain is saying - no it's not, look again. For something like that I know it's the eyes playing tricks, and I know to look away, give it a minute and carry on - but your coin beat me Azda, it was under the radar! It's the 3 pellets in the reverse quarters of the Long Cross pennies that get me the most! Ouch! Yes. How about Celtic? All those knobbly knees on the pre-surrealist surreal horses!

The lion seems to have had a face job too. Any thoughts on that? But who drills a hole in a 1905 shilling? There's a potentially interesting story to that I imagine. The shilling looks genuine enough - so it's not someone drilling a copy. And the hole is left rough, still even had the burr on it on the obverse side? If it had been drilled to go on a necklace, wouldn't they have cleared the burr off it - through use you might imagine the burr would be smoothed away and the edge of the hole on the reverse side would not be as sharp as it appears in the photo. I have no reason to believe that it's not genuine and from the wear it has seen a reasonable amount of circulation before it was drilled. Of course who ever drilled it did not appreciate that it was a rare coin and probably picked it for its date, likely a birth year. The hole does look very sharp on the photo so it would make you wonder if it was ever put on a chain, perhaps the recipient wasn't too impressed by being given an old shilling to hang around their neck. Anyway I think the nose is still kosher but looks better due to the toning it has received, I'm sure it had been cleaned in the past as it was a bit bright for a 100 year old coin. Thank you GaryD. A very interesting coin and has ilicited a very interesting debate. Do you know why the 1905 is such a rare coin? Is it just a case of attrition, or was the full mintage never released. Is there an intriguing story there? I have never found a satisfactory answer to this riddle. Congratulations on your coin, and thank you for taking the trouble to show the before and after - and weathering the storm of debate in good humour!

Thanks Azda and Paulus. I appreciate it and the consensus (i.e. it's not just me). I was looking at Edward VII stuff today and for the life of me - the ear was incuse! Brain is saying - no it's not, look again. For something like that I know it's the eyes playing tricks, and I know to look away, give it a minute and carry on - but your coin beat me Azda, it was under the radar! And Peckris, sorry I missed you out.

Thanks Azda and Paulus. I appreciate it and the consensus (i.e. it's not just me). I was looking at Edward VII stuff today and for the life of me - the ear was incuse! Brain is saying - no it's not, look again. For something like that I know it's the eyes playing tricks, and I know to look away, give it a minute and carry on - but your coin beat me Azda, it was under the radar!

He has to cover the cost of achieving the satiny full red lustre. Lindner carry a range of products

I've sold to them in the past. Appeared on e-bay virtually immediately from an address in Cornwall, using my photograph with acute grade inflation (I think from NEF to AU). Sigh... Even if this guy was a BNTA member, is what he is doing against BNTA code of ethics?

There's also a vertical gouge in the English arms. Nice G over A in MAG though. The vertical GOUGE looks more like excess material as it's raised running into the arms and is'nt light, there seems to be a small nick at the top of the shield though which is lighter than the GOUGE. The G/A was'nt noted, which was a bonus My apologies AZDA. Sometimes what is in relief looks to be incuse to my eyes.

What do you do here, is there a link, or could you explain? What happens when salt is involved? Danger of disolving the coin! Isn't olive oil and patience the "OK" way to handle verdigris?

1887 shilling was under £10. 1674 = £50? although i like the coin, thats a sweet price. The Edward I would be a very cool plectrum. Brian May uses a sixpence.

Agree. Keep as is. The coin is honest. Note also the broken serif at the bottom of the 1 in the date. And on the obverse you can see quite clearly the "honi" on the queen's shoulder - honi of honi soit qui mal y pense i.e. "Shamed be he who thinks evil of it", which seems appropriate? Almost! "Evil be to him who evil thinks" (Or "Shame", as you say, for a literal translation). Thanks Peckris. I preferred the use of "shame" in this instance to go with the theme of it being a shame to dip etc the coin.

The lion seems to have had a face job too. Any thoughts on that? But who drills a hole in a 1905 shilling? There's a potentially interesting story to that I imagine. The shilling looks genuine enough - so it's not someone drilling a copy. And the hole is left rough, still even had the burr on it on the obverse side? If it had been drilled to go on a necklace, wouldn't they have cleared the burr off it - through use you might imagine the burr would be smoothed away and the edge of the hole on the reverse side would not be as sharp as it appears in the photo.

Agree. Keep as is. The coin is honest. Note also the broken serif at the bottom of the 1 in the date. And on the obverse you can see quite clearly the "honi" on the queen's shoulder - honi of honi soit qui mal y pense i.e. "Shamed be he who thinks evil of it", which seems appropriate?

Congratulations on getting the permission and all the best of success in following through on your project.

i cant help but wonder what they would attribute it as MIss LIberty doubled D obverse, die crack reverse.

Love it!

Very good Hello17. What is the hobby of polishing? A hobby of polishing coins would be fantastic. What is it that interests you about collecting coins? Good luck with the exams.

Thank you Declan. That's very helpful.

How did this project work out DaveG38? Both published! To avoid bias, and I couldn't find them for sale on Chris's site, just type 'David Groom Coin' into google and you'll find them! That's great. Thank you for the update and congratulations with your publications.

How did this project work out DaveG38?

Great coins from detectoristing. Thank you for showing them Danelaw.

Platinum has a very high melting point, and was not a common metal in the early 18th Century perhaps putting it out of the counterfeiters' reach. Its also much harder than gold which has made it recognized as a difficult metal to coin. Its an intriguing puzzle - the coin is the right diameter and about the right weight, given its apparent state of preservation loss of 0.1g from the anticipated range of 8.3 to 8.4g is not unexpected if the coin was indeed genuine. Its colour is not unlike some shipwreck gold, but if the coin has been in the family for a long time - which shipwreck might it have come from that didn't require modern techniques to recover it. If the coin is genuine, perhaps submersion in seawater could be responsible for the loss of much detail. But I don't think that's the answer. Given its dimensions and weight, that suggests that it is at least gold. I would think any pawnshop could verify whether or not it is gold and what carat fineness - should be just less that 22k (and recheck the weight). The rim is wrong, not bearing milling, but could be like this due to having been filed down for its miniscule amount of gold. The top right sceptre is interesting in that it is clearly broken in the middle. Seems an odd detail for a counterfeiter to bother with. Also, interestingly, there seems to be something going on under the U of DUX. Again, why would a counterfeiter bother? And yet the general presentation of the coin, with its clumsy detailing and textured looking fields gives the overwhelming impression of being a low quality copy. If you are going to get a reputed coin dealer to have a look at it, I'd suggest a personal visit rather than sending the coin through the post. Interesting - please do let us know how you get on with verifying the coin.

Also, so people can't actually see what you've been selling AFTER the auction's finished! If you had a nice little idea, say polished coins for 110th birthdays, other potential listers, who might want to poach your idea, can't see how successful you are in selling them. If they spotted you'd sold 20 in one week, they might just think 'Blimey, I'll give that a go myself!' A case in point: about 10 year's ago, I started making driftwood crucifixes for a bit of fun. I was genuinely shocked by their popularity and eBay auction success, making between early twenties to thirty quid a throw! I didn't have the market for long! I've done it myself on eBay, seen a good idea, and then trawled the seller's feedback for the stats! I see. Thank you for that insight Coinery.

There's also a vertical gouge in the English arms. Nice G over A in MAG though.

Best I can do for an Anne R&P from my collection (shilling) ... I am sure others can do much better but my pockets are not deep enough, or I wasn't collecting 20 years ago! Is that a P or F counterstamped onto the top left plume?