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Thanks, that's my understanding, you just put it so well. So a virtually completely toned Victorian penny can still have full lustre? Sound

Hi, A lot has been said about coins being " enhanced" on ebay. No reason to doubt this dealer. Just wondered what an experienced eye made of this. Regards M

Thanks so much. Just received the coin, paid £ 60.00 for it. It's my second coin from this dealer. He has assured me that he doesn't do anything to his coins. I asked because he really does supply some good coins at sensible prices. He graded this at GEF. I think it's better that that. His conservative approach to grading has given me some confidence. The coin just looked so good thought I would get some help. Much appreciated M

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Thanks again for the pearls of wisdom. Here's the gothic crown in question. Any thoughts? Regards M

Thanks for the replies to my enquiry. I now found another source of wisdom. Not to be sniffed at when its free Had a look at Gothic Crowns on London Coins & MC search. Sure did prove my dealers point. A good number had been cleaned, even to my untrained eye. Went for good prices to. Other than what's been said, what other give always are there that a coin has been cleaned? Either well or badly, and not just Gothics. Regards M

Hi, I have been investing in coins for about two months and find this thread interesting. Spoke to a dealer today who I have bought one or two coins from. He has given me advice which I respect and and am grateful. Am in the process of buying a 1847 Gothic Crown from him. He told me up front that it had been cleaned. Again honest. Also explained the following about cleaning: Some dealers throw their hands up in horror at the thought of cleaned coins, others don't. His point is that there are two kinds of cleaned coins, those cleaned badly and those cleaned well. Those cleaned well shouldn't present a problem. Found this interesting, he said most Victorian coins have been cleaned and older, the market just does not acknowledge it. He then explained good cleaning practice (preservation?) against bad. Any thoughts please for a newbie with a thirst to learn. M