Paddy

Well it is NGC who have got it wrong as the same coin is on their website - complete with the 54 die number! Just for fun I have messaged NGC through their website - interesting to see if they respond.

Interesting. The NGC picture of the coin does not seem to show as much frosting effect as the Ebay listed picture. Also NGC records normal and Proof strikes for 1922, but no Proof-like restrikes. Don't know where that leaves this coin!

Even my scruffy example is the same.

Looks to me like a double strike rotated, if that is possible? The band in the wavy area just below the R of Brittannia looks like the rearward headband on Victoria's head?

Yes - white metal coronation medallion for Queen Victoria. The metal is light and soft - similar to pewter but less prone to tarnish. Somewhere in my head I think it was called Mudi or mooti medal, but I cannot find that on google so I must have it wrong. I can't make out who it is by - not enough detail in the pictures. You might be able to make out a designer name under the bust? Sadly in that condition not worth anything - even in great condition they don't make much.

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Great - thanks for the clarification, I will now report.

It looks ugly and a brand new seller makes one very dubious, but the PCGS cert matches a similarly described coin (though no picture). What makes you certain it is fake? I am happy, as always, to report but I need to be sure in my own mind it is a fake before I stir up trouble for the seller.

One short of a Court Martial was "Tea with the Brigadier" in my time - no tea, no seat - you just stood there and had your fortune explained to you!

It seems to me that Ebay should implement a setting in the process for listing coins, probably alongside the "condition" box where, for single coin listings, the seller has to click either "Genuine" or "Copy" - not able to proceed until one or other has been selected. Then, if they have clicked genuine and it is not, they are in clear breach of trading standards. It takes away the opportunity for sellers to say nothing and allow buyers to assume it is genuine.

How about this one from the same seller: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Britannia-Standing-EDWARDVS-VII-Silver-One-Florin-Two-Shillings-Multiple-Years/332576065041?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49920%26meid%3D2198b496af79486b9dc4e76b3d174946%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D332576084591%26itm%3D332576065041&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 OK - the buy it now price at £6.50 should tell you it is a copy, but she should still explicitly say so.

I have started photographing and filing my Farthings - I will post the collection in the Members forum when I am done. I came across this one - 1922 farthing with what appears to be a massive die crack across the obverse. Or is it PMD? The crack does seem to go under the letters in the legend? *** Ignore all this! As I should have known the die crack would be raised not incuse, so the long line is just an odd scratch. There is a die crack at the base of the bust, but not nearly so prominent. ***

Thanks for the link - that helps! Ce doesn't seem to have a big enough 6 to me - it looks more like Cb? Let's see if anyone else has an input. P

I am busy cataloguing my farthings. This one in Freeman they refer to the large and small 6 versions - which is this please? I have nothing to compare against!

It has worked this time - must have been a caching problem as I have shut down and restarted in the meantime. Reported.

I have tried to report this item but the Ebay report page seems to be faulty - none of the drop boxes work. Anyone else having this problem, or should I take it personally?

Why don't you suggest all these alternatives to them? Then they will have enough ideas to do another 26 in 2019... and another in 2020... and another in 2021...

Yes - I am happy to join in reporting them, but I need to be confident they are fake for my own peace of mind. What are the tell-tales on these ones? Is it just because he has obscured the NGC references?

For sheer ineptitude this one surely takes the biscuit: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-KING-GEORGEVI-BRASS-FARTHINGS-DATED-1937-1941-2-3-4-5/372226389083?hash=item56aa6bf45b:g:cnkAAOSwSPBaev3W Not only has he mis-identified threepences as farthings, but he his listed it in the halfpennies category!

Spotted this in a local auction - looks to be the remnants of a 1953 boxed set with the penny removed - might be of interest to someone here? (Not for me!) https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/ba80400dd3bb7835a11467c1b73bc7c5/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/antiques-collectables-lot-382/ P

Wives or coin fairs?

Or Lead? They look a lot like the lead seals that have been in the ground for a long time...

Welcome to Predecimal Coins! The 1852 Britannia groat is the second scarcest of the regular Victoria groats (after the 1853). Loking at recent sales online I guess yours would make around £200 - one sold at best offer under £220 on Ebay recently in slightly worse condition than yours, and there is another for £200 "buy it now" there at the moment. (This one is better in the reverse than yours, but worse on the obverse...) In the end it is what someone is prepared to pay, which depends on how bad they want it.

I agree absolutely that they have interests far beyond the internet, but they still see themselves as above the law! You only have to see their attitude to paying tax - if they stumped tax commensurate with the business they do in the UK we would go a long way towards bringing austerity to an end.

"Publicity" is the key. Ebay, along with most of the Internet giants (Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Google etc) see themselves as above the law and routinely ignore national governments, let alone some small academic group. Bear in mind, through Google, they also have a stranglehold on online media. What might get their attention would be publicity outside their control - a BBC expose on something like Watchdog might get their attention as this would knock the confidence of buyers and so their revenue stream.