Rob, you are right about Centlsles. I have never seen one of his coins (until now) that he didn't slab himself, and overgrade by at least one grade! With that said...this coin was slabbed by NGC...he must have bought it that way! Ha,Ha. Years ago, I bought a slabbed coin off of him, and when I received it, the coin was way over graded. I would never buy anything off of him, regardless of who slabbed it! Centsles, at any given time usually has around 500-1000 items up for auction. Of those, anywhere from a couple to maybe 10% may be graded coins by PCGS or NGC (the two more respected USA TPGs). And, even among those very few (reputably slabbed) coins, the images are usually so horrendous (possibly purposefully so) that you must be very, very careful. The moral of the story being, if you systematically dismiss all items from a particular source in a draconian way, you may miss out on coins that you would never otherwise encounter. The most recent item I purchased from him was a very difficult Canadian Provincial token, quite common in grades of EF or lower, but next to impossible in UNC. It is a common Courteau variety (#186, listed as R1). But, I promise, it's not an R1 in this grade!