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Could you put a photo up please Gary, for our information.

Absolutely no doubling of the queen's head but DEI is doubled together with the I of VICTORIA - so how exactly is this caused ? In the production of a new die ?

Actually much of the legend is doubled too.

Any luck? Just logged on and I can access all digital mags back to Oct 2007

The last 8 in the date of both types look to have been reworked and are rather messy, but neither is an obvious overdate. At this time the Mint were using up old working dies and a larger number of altered dies are from this period Many of them have the reworked/overstruck 8 as John says which Bramah recorded as 25c. My own specimen (large date) has this plus the 1 over 1 and all numerals double struck.

Hydrogenium ? Had to Google that one - seems to be another word for hydrogen but I'm pretty sure palladium and hydrogen won't react together.

Nice one, Mike.

Welcome to the 21st century. I worked in I.T. all my life but now it's making life unbearable. It must be time an A.I. robot joined the forum ?

£6435

Yes, the last example on the page.

I did have a close look at this one in hand and it isn't that much better than the others plus it's got a nasty gouge on the queen's face. It's not as nice as the one you sold Bob.

I was there and saw a bidder win the unc 1897 dot - was that one of our forum members ?

I do - they send a monthly email with a link that you simply log into. I'll try out the back issue option and let you know.

He did !

I've emailed him - it'll be interesting to see whether he pulls it !

Not true - if you have left a postal/commission bid, then the auctioneer will announce it just like a room or telephone bid, so if the last room bid was £1500, he'll say something like "I've got £1600 on commission - Fair warning" and if there are no other bids, you'll get it at £1600. Which is exactly what you said - stupid me 😡

Not true - if you have left a postal/commission bid, then the auctioneer will announce it just like a room or telephone bid, so if the last room bid was £1500, he'll say something like "I've got £1600 on commission - Fair warning" and if there are no other bids, you'll get it at £1600.

I've been to many London Coins auctions where Stephen Locket starts a lot by announcing "£x is bid" - but then no further bids are received from floor or phone and so he brings the hammer down and one can assume that it went for £x - but no, when the results are printed, we find that it went unsold even tho' he didn't use those words at the time. So it's debatable as to whether he had a genuine bid for £x or whether he was just trying to get the bidding started. I'd prefer to hear him say something like "I'm looking for £x on this one" , where £x is hopefully the reserve. I also have to say that LCA did have a reputation (possibly unfounded) of selling lots at the highest bid that a vendor submitted but I can also say that I've won lots for considerably less than my maximum bid. "You makes your bid and you takes your chance."

This thread continues a subject raised under a topic of 1926 and 1927 pennies but probably merits a more general discussion under a more identifiable heading. Mules A mule, is a coin where the obverse and reverse of the coin have been struck from dies which were not meant to be paired together; this can be an intentional action or a production error. The latter error becomes highly sought after and collectors can be willing to pay highly for examples of these coins. We have been debating this definition in the context of the 1926 Modified Effigy penny. Some people consider this penny to be a Mule because it is feasible that the modified effigy obverse was planned to be issued paired with the redesigned reverse used on 1927 pennies onwards, and not on on 1926 coins. However, the fact that so many 1926 ME pennies were minted begs the question of whether the obverse and reverse were "meant" to be paired together. I say Yes but others say No. The 1966 penny struck with a Jersey obverse is clearly a Mule. The Freeman 8 and 9 pennies with beaded/toothed borders are almost certainly mules, produced by unintentional actions. Can a particular die pairing struck intentionally really be called a Mule ? Discuss !

I think we're getting there although there will always be a degree of subjectivity as we can never truly know what was in the mind of the "designer" even if it seems obvious.

Bear in mind it's a London Coins photo and they don't always capture coins as they look in hand. Their camera sometimes tells porkies.

That's because it is a proof coin (sold by LCA)

Little Eva and Big Dee Irwin - definitely an unplanned pairing.

I don't think I agree with this - the 1966 Jersey obversed penny ( a quintessential mule in my view) has what I assume (what was still) a current Jersey obverse (tho' I may be wrong)

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