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I speak regarding pennies mainly, but Gouby published his book (The British Bronze Penny from 1860 to 1970) back in 1986 which did contain a lot of varieties anyway, but more and more come to light and seem to pick up more popularity when someone publishes another book with a mention to it. He did another study which looked mainly at bronze between 1860 to 1869 where he would have added previously unrecorded varieties and then an even more comprehensive version entitled "The British Bronze Penny (Victoria 1860 to 1901) Specialised edition" which many other varieties and minor attributes where mentioned. Then you have Michael Freeman's book which followed the same sort of path with more up to date versions being released, I think the last being undertaken by Spink but they only updated the prices (I think). Then the even more granular book by David Groom but this concerns 20th Century pieces, however it goes into some great detail about varieties and minor changes to designs that even the former 2 missed. You also have places like the "unconfirmed varieties" threads on this forum, someone recently had their work recognised in their area of collecting as a previously unrecorded variety and is awaiting publishing. To answer your first question, I think that it's more of a thing now because as people near completion of their collection they want to be able to create more boxes to tick and to carry on the collecting. Varieties give you the chance to do that, and as numismatics gains more popularity and more coins are being hoarded, people are starting to see more and more differences in design and in turn, open up more varieties for the collectors.

Here in Spain it's anything over about €20 it seems and their process is abysmal by any standards. Anything worth having sent here that I actually want to end up seeing, I get it sent to the UK first and then have it shipped here, it's a pain.

Don't hold me to it because this isn't my area of collecting, but that looks an awful lot like pewter..

Sly dog, Gary

For me I think that browsing this forum and ebay fairly regularly imparts a sense of what is a reasonable price and what isn't. I find that normally the price reflects the time spent to find something, so when you're buying nice and cheap UNC coins that are easy to find you have an idea that they aren't going to cost you much, whereas when you've spent say, 2 years, looking for one of those hard to get dates, you've got a rough idea from all your searching what you want to pay. Then once you've got it you'll definitely remember what the price was haha. Watching eBay auctions end without bidding is always a good idea, if I know I'm going to be looking for something in particular, I'll add a couple of high grade examples (if they're there) to my watch list, then when I come round to getting one myself I've got a few examples with realised prices. LCS also has a pretty good back catalogue of prices paid which is a good reference, along with various books, Tony Claytons website and regular help from members on here you'll be in the know in no time I'm sure!

"CGS has told me it is I/9 finest known ok might have been a bit overboard with the price but you never know do you can't blame me for trying can you I have seen these go for over £400.00 over the years there was one up for sale on Ebay last month for £800.00 and it was nowhere near as good as both of the ones I have for sale if you are willing to pay £400.00 then it's yours" I declined, needless to say.

Its now on ebay matt........£800 Dont no were they have got that price from ,maybe reading about them being scarce on here. Doesnt matter how scarce in good grade they are that price is ridiculous. I sent him a message asking where he pulled that number from :S

There's a thread somewhere on this site that lists most of the auctions that run each year. When I'm not on my phone I'll try and find it because there's not a lot of comprehensive lists out there

What the crud?! I had an idea they wanted to up the price but some people.. I need to find a link again it was an old watching item so not sure if it's still on my list.

Yeah that really is a pain in the derrière

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If it helps, it looks like the N is the distinguishing factor here. The left and right hand serifs, in the wide KN, follow down to between the border teeth whereas the narrow N points to 2 teeth. Pic attached for help.

Yeah it's a very small difference, which makes looking at the meagre photos on ebay all that harder to work it out Thanks David

Well it's bloody difficult telling a wide and narrow KN apart from eBay pictures! Is this one a narrow KN? If so it has the flaw as well.

Rash, that was a 2009 post, I think it's still the same book..

Thanks for the solid advice David! Interesting point about the wide and narrow KN type, I'll have a little look later through ebay and see if I can deduce anything from a quick scan of what's on there.

Yeah really confused, I think so is he. Why's it got 27 watchers as well Link

Picked up a better grade 1918kn today and just noticed it's got the bird's foot flaw. Then upon finding this thread, I noticed that it's also got the trident flaw and the same die cracks as David's second coin. Did anything come of this? I see everywhere that these "occur on around 10%" of the 1918kns but not much else. Does anyone recognise this flaw as a variety on here?

Welcome Matteo!

Nice toning on that florin

So sorry Peter, that's bloody horrible news keep your head up

That's true, it's one way to look at it, although I'd hope anyone who wasn't too familiar with eBay and/or coins wouldn't be very much competition. Another thing is the introduction of those 3 buttons to increase your bid when you're outbid, sometimes it's easier to click it 3, 4, 5 times and up your bid just a little to see if you can outbid the current winner before dropping your maximum on it. Not to mention I'm a kid at heart so I just want to press all the buttons

Sometimes I like to bid in small increments when there is an existing bid, depending on the lot. It gives the illusion of many bidders trying to get the same item, even if it puts off one person from looking at it further then it's done the trick.

Title says it all, here's some pics..