bronze mad

Auction houses that specialise in coins should have top experts in all types of coins, and one should trust their judgement. however one needs to veiw the coins themselves, to be absolutely certain before bidding, as certain die pairings etc especially on worn coins is difficult to distinguish.

it was probably covered in green verdigris, and the owner has removed it, and reduced it to a shiny button!

he did well there. 9 bidders, if it were a BIN it would still be unsold, probably at that price,

superb coin. better than the one I have! I would grade it as GEF the only problem is the surface dirt will lessen it's eye appeal which is a shame, marvellous coin nonetheless Value? £1,500 at auction?

it looks like its been struck from a cracked die on the Rev theres a raised line on the legend of penny, obv looks ok to me

im pretty sure the first penny is 2+D but the legends have dirt in them so can't be too sure, maybe give it a wash in hot soapy water, rub with fingers only. the second one is 6+F scarce pairing and sought after, rated R16 by freeman third one im not sure either 4+G or 5+G, the latter is a very rare pairing R18 and the former still uncommon rated R12, but check with a magnifying glass underneath the bust RH side there is a recess see if you can see a signature L.C.WYON. OBV 5 will have NO sig,

A weakly struck coin is due to the dies becoming worn away slightly, and this causes the struck coin to become less 'sharp' so the design looks in low relief, and to the untrained eye can be deceptive. Wear is due to flattening from circulation, try to compare coins in high grades and it will become clearer. I hope this helps, it is difficult to explain!

some of them are in good nick, I take it they are detector finds?

ive tried to do another photo but having difficulties getting sharpness, so it might be small as f**k looking at the date numerals they all look like they have been re-cut? what do you guys think?

Is it a large six? i'm not used to handling many of this year for comparison!

I love the 3d i think it was the first silver coin that I had in my early collecting days and it was 1917, it was probably fair, and even now nearly 40 yrs later the one i got now is probably Fine! but thats just the way it goes.

the top of the six is very faint, but up near the exgergue, and it is much thicker than my other example that i have, this is why i bought it. I will try and upload a sharper picture, what exactly does large 6 mean? taller? fatter? I have seen recut 6 which is probably what mine is.

The 1958 brass 3d has always had a 'reputation' (Brassy Bertha ), but you're right - all of them between 1954 and 1958 present difficulties. Having said that, 1939 and 1948 aren't easy either - it was only this year that I got my first BU 1948. ive had a 1948 for a while now, it is a good strike, and i do have a 1939 cant remember if its full mint lustre though

Ive always favoured the penny, and the farthing to the halfpenny, but I am starting to aquire more of them nowdays as I noticed that there was far too many gaps! and as im a sucker for die types the halfpenny is bloody confusing at times to tell between differences. I still love my silvers as well! Half Crowns to 3d's I got date runs from late Victoria to present with a few gaps, mostly in the lower grades with some top grades also. For some reason I favour the little 3d's, probably cos they are cheap I don't have that many Crowns though. And Ive got 2 Double florins I also like the brass 3d when lustrous they are beautiful, I have a date run of them and i need the four scarcer dates in high grade, but surprisingly the early Elizabeth years (apart from 1953) are difficult to get lustrous.1957 + 58 being the culprits for me.

Great coin A/unc i recon, got some hairlines under magnification probably not visible in the hand! some letters on rev look like they are double struck, U I M? Y

If you have a coin in uncirculated cond, but it has edge knocks, it will still be graded as uncirculated, however because it has damaged edges this will bring down the price, the bigger the dents the less 'eye appeal' they have , most crowns that I have seen that are circulated have edge knocks on them, simply due to the fact that they are heavy, made of soft material, and were dropped by the general public on the pavement. 22 Quid was a good buy for that, and if you got a date run then that is a perfect grade.

I agree with the majority on that one, why slab a coin? there are exceptions with extremely rare coins as they will go on a coin database and are documented, so the coin community knows how many are around etc. Most people use albums or cabinets to store their coins, how do you fit these in with your collection?

plastic holders will be fine for that coin, its got a green patina on it already so it won't get worse, I can't believe it came from your own garden! that will take some beating! but this is generally how rare coins come about, either dug up or amongst hoards. Personally to get it authenticated I would take it to London coins and get one of their consultants to view it. I'm sure other members on the forum will shed some more light on that matter for you.

lol!, what a great find!, looks like a four to me, it seems that there are a few more around these days from when freemans book was released 30 yrs ago. neverthe less the die number varieties are well known amongst penny colletors and are highly sought after, keep it, as it will always be of value, and when you sell it do it through a good auction, like london coins etc.

Why not put it up for 4.4 Million? worth a try

You found it in your garden? can i bring my detector round to your garden! lol A Peckris said before can you take a real good close up photo of the date so we can see it more clearly, and if that is a 4 then there is only one or two of these know so far, so it will be extremley rare.

I got this along with a lot of other bulk coins,I know its well worn! It looks to be obv 9 with the younger portrait and larger legend lettering. But instead of rev J it has the heaton mintmark, which is on rev M, this is an extremely rare die pairing according to freeman, one thing that puzzles me is that Freeman states rev M as flat shield, but this in concave? as rev J? I have been studying a lot of 1881 - 1882 pennies just lately and to me it seems that the rev N pennies have a flat sheild, trying to identify some of the different die pairings of these years is hard if one refers to freeman, I don't have goubys reference book. would it be worth getting? does his books make life easier? or just confuse things even more!

Fine, or if i was trying to sell it then Good Fine there is a big difference between Fine and Very Fine, Very fines are still quite sharp.

do you mean a price guide book? you can aquire one from this forum site, Collectors coins GB, its a handly little book, and does list some of the minority types, for all denominations. there are plenty on the market

What he actually says is : "Only one specimen found, well circulated, and with the area of the mintmark obscured. It is therefore not known if this reverse occurs with 'H' below the date, when accompanied by Obverse 9" so he did find one but it was too worn? is that what he means by obscured?