PWA 1967

Going off the picture i dont think so ,just looks a bit dirty and toned.

CAN YOU TAKE THAT POST OFF PLEASE.

If you had looked at the IMP indicator and not the BRITT one ,you would of been able to tell straight away as clear that it is just a normal one. Most coins have two indicators so if your not sure on one , check the other. Its the same on lots of Bronze and Coppers even if only die cracks ,flaws etc , there are always other indicators if you are not sure.

I looked at that when it was first listed. It is NOT a Gouby X though which is I of IMP points to tooth and thats to gap ,so just a normal one.

I dont have a clue why ,maybe it was in a newspaper 😃 but the 2019 re - issued 50p Kew gardens has started selling for a lot more over the last few days. It was only issued in sets( 5 coins) that people could buy for £22 - 50 off westminster but people the last few days now getting £70 / £80 just for the Kew.

We will all go Richard , some collectors wont let go of the coins though and literally take them to the grave which is obviously there own choice. Maybe another option for the people who wont sell is to make an agreement with someone in the industry who they know and trust to sell the coins when they have gone and make the people who inherit them aware that they will help and hopefully maximise the money. Even if its just to put them all in one auction they will atleast get someone acting in there interests rather than just passing the box to an auctioneer. If the person in the industry pass away first , they can always find someone else 😃

I dont think any inheritees will get as much as the person who collected them if its a decent or high end collection with lots of coins.Most inheritees i assume just get told by the auctioneer that we will do a nice catalogue with some pictures and put prices that will generate interest and put them in as cheap as possible.They may be better off split up and run in a couple of auctions ,some sold privately ,some with high estimates and if they dont sell resubmitted , some slabbed ,descriptions altered ,some sold by dealers on a percentage etc.Rates / fees may be able to be negotiated or should be compared with other Auctioneers and regardless of what spread sheets the auctioneers may not agree with the grades or type / variety ,some may be cleaned and may just be to much for a non collector to take on board.They then sell the coins and take a big percentage off for all the work they did and time etc. I am not knocking Auctioneers or the fees they charge ,its just to them its a collection to be sold just like anyother and the number of collections we see from a collector who has passed away means they know someone else will come along soon with another box. I know the person who inherited the coins may well be glad of the money and happy they sold ,although that does not mean they could of got a lot more whithout the hassle. Unless the death was unexpected IMO its better to sell the coins and leave them the money ,rather than the aggravation of a box of dusty coins they do not have a clue about. I will use the 1860 F14 above as an example and know i would of got more than £600 selling it privately. I remember a forum member telling me a few years ago " i will sell the coins myself before i go ,nobody will get as much as me " and if your reading this i believe you were right 👍

Yes ,i posted as was more incase anyone else reading the thread was not aware that they were on other years who may be interested.

These are all mentioned in the Groom book Terry for 1961, 63,64,65,66 & 67 Missing waves / Short helmet plume and loss of the fold on Britannias gown over the right shoulder.

https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/lot-archive/lot.php?lot_uid=316087 One from the Hiram Brown sale ,again they should of been catalogued properly.

Thats a really good idea ,use a video done by another grading company and promote them on our facebook group. The video is an NGC one and not there own 😮

Yes thats the one with the same halfpenny ,i should of just looked at prices realised. No i lost interest about 18 months ago , not long after a collector wanted to buy coins that were slabbed in high grade and was a good oportunity to sell a lot for prices i dont think i would of acheived in the near future. I kept some that he either had or i felt were worth keeping ,such as some coppers that are becoming IMO really hard to find in top grades. Being pretty much housebound though not with Covid but illness i still buy things for something to do that i know other people are looking for or to pass on to dealers.

When i used to collect a forum member bid on that same coin for me at LCA about 5 years ago ,remember it selling for about £250 + ,must stand out and not see many for me to remember it 😃

Now online if anyone is interested. Pete.

Some UK sellers may also say it was rare as a DOT penny 😃 I agree though Mike ,unfortunately there will always be sellers whether the coin is slabbed or not asking what we consider to be daft prices. Its just the American market and slowly becoming worldwide is driven by slabbed coins.

1967 GREAT BRITAIN PENNY S-4157 PCGS GENUINE UNC DETAILS QUEST.COLOR BEAUTIFUL | eBay Coincidence as just been listed ,but shows how pictures can be hard to tell from and one that has been cleaned and artificially toned in the opinion of the grading company.

The one mentioned was a 1944 ,45 or 46 i cant remember which that Dave craddock had for sale ,i didnt want it and he sold it another dealer. It was easier to tell even from a scanned picture as should of been fully mint toned rather than oneside MT oneside BU and was therefore not natural toning or cleaning. Sometimes i believe the blanks / coins may stick together for mint toning ,leaving them partially or fully MT to only oneside. I did have a 1932 that i bought off Dave craddock that was mint toned but passed it on to a forum member. That i believe was a MT blank / coin in error that was mixed in with normal ones or possibly part of a trial for 1934 . Although some years are often hard to tell from a photograph as may of just naturally toned ,such as some pennies we see described as proof like.

He was on the set up TV programme Pawn stars ,trying to sell a Roman thing ,that apparently he knew nothing about 😃

Just looks like an O to me ,either the coin is damaged or the O is partly blocked.

Not sure if you are including coppers Richard as there are a few varieties scarce in high grade but the 1843 NO Colon better than VF is really hard to find.

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Its easier IMO Blake to get as many lists as possible from Dealers and keep them .More coins of any reasonable grade will have been sold by dealers attributed correctly than anything else as the majority going in an auction have been submitted by a dealer or by a seller who bought it from a dealer originally.They also may not be of a value worth putting in Auction. Some maybe duplicated but even so its a guide as to how many of something there may be and in what grades from dealers who are handling a lot more every month than the few people who post on the forum ,apart from the last 12 months were it is harder for dealers to buy anything due to covid. Over a period of time you can soon find out what is hard to find or plentifull and why i keep them all going back seven years since i started to collect pennies. Out of interest i looked at lists for F79 and made a phone call yesterday and a couple more calls this morning as lots of sought after coins may be sold by dealers before they even go on a list. It also means that even some coins that may be considered common are much harder to find than we may think as most collectors when they buy a coin dont look for that particular type anymore. So over the seven years i have kept lists if there are hardly any on they are either scarce or sought after as sold straight away.

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/cp_1858.htm I dont have a picture but Michael Gouby has them on his site CP1858G ,its the one with the bit within the bottom loop.

Yes i agree Jerry and like plenty others IMO should only considered rare in high grade.

They are both open to opinion but both varieties completely different and can be spotted by a glance. Gouby says the 1858/2 is the one with a die crack through the date. The 1858/3 is (i dont think it is ) open to opinion. However yes there are two varieties that are both different but often attributed as the same variety.