PWA 1967

I was going to sell it privately but after speaking to a couple of penny experts / dealers they informed me due to its rarity and grade it was hard to determin a price and to put it in an Auction.

1858 Large rose for sale at Baldwin St.James , interesting description. https://bsjauctions.auctionmobility.com/lots/view/1-3SYMYF/british-coins https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2717123-002/63/

Bronze ,copper ,brass will all tone and have the risk of spreading verd from one coin to another if the coins not seperated. You could put a couple of thousand in paper coin envelopes which are the same size as a coin and would still fit in a small box. Envelopes is the less bulky way to store them individually,although if you find a better option please let me know 👍 https://www.rpcoins.co.uk/collections/accessories Pictured bottom right.

Individually in paper envelopes in a place that is a cool temperature.

Unfortunately i dont think unless something is brought to there attention the American grading companies knowledge in varieties for British copper pennies is something they specialize in. You recently had a few that were listed on eBay and none of the varieties were attributed which although may not make them worth anymore i feel might help you to sell them.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1934-GEORGE-V-ONE-PENNY-GREAT-BRITISH-COIN-HUNT-/233684905043?nma=true&si=RoK94v15yq838hgYv7cnTr69aSs%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Yes the 1934 is different from the proof 1937 as its the rocks which are missing and a lot more prominent than the low relief parts of the proof.

Yes.I was only talking about this the other week to someone about why it occurs.As far as i can find out there is no evidence of grease causing a blocked die in milled coins and just a phrase that has been used over the years.None was really used and was machine oil and i am led to believe the dies were washed after they had been set to strike a certain number of blanks. As you mention the pressure used (which i have forgotten ) if the dies had grease on would be to coincidental IMO to leave the same parts missing on certain coins .The 1937 proofs ( A reverse ) i think are more likely due to the coin being in Low relief either side of the waves that are central below the lighthouse and again on the two parts on the other side.The other years 1921 & 1934 possibly just down to wear on the die ,although the person i talked to by there own admission was only guessing. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1937-George-VI-Proof-One-Penny-coin-/133528613684?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=RoK94v15yq838hgYv7cnTr69aSs%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1937-Proof-Great-Britain-George-VI-One-Penny-Freeman-218/154082935889?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Great-Britain-George-VI-Bronze-1937-1-Penny-NGC-MS63-BN-NICE-BU-KM-845-015/313172444843?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 I have looked at a few in hand of which these are some pictures of three i found on the same day.

Thats a much clearer picture Terry and shows like the 1934 its the rocks that are missing and not just the waves 👍

Sorry for the Large picture it was Matts that i bought off him and only had one more ,although i sold both.Dave groom in the book also mentions other years that i assume he has seen.

Richard is right its OBV 3 which is on F13 .

If anyone has any CGS graded pennies in high grade for type that they wish to sell at a FAIR price please message me. Unlikely probably on here 🙂 but you never know and will be buying them if anyone does have any for the next couple of weeks. I am not buying them at daft prices though ,just the same as i have never sold them to forum members at inflated prices. Pete.

I made a few phone calls and sent pictures of this coin to a couple of people to see if they could help or tell me the reason for this 1858 penny and other copper pennies i have seen as to why the right breast was completely flat even though the coin was UNC. Due to it being the deepest / highest part of the die the metal from the blank did not fill the die ,either from not being struck hard enough or just being engaved to deep.So not always wear or a blocked die if the right breast is flat but the rest of the coin fully struck and UNC. Made good sense to me ,so thought i would share on here.

Only in plastic sorry which are not the best .

I doubt very much there was another one on Gary ,so would say yes 🙂

No the seller on eBay gave it me 😂 👍

1858 Large rose . Although this is a Large date its by far the best one i have found in five years and rare in UNC grade.

Click on the 3 lines on the left hand side ,scroll down to current sock, base metal or whatever it is your looking for.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Victorian-Bronze-Penny-1860-1901-M-J-Freeman-POST-FREE/254728522948 Surprised these have not sold this morning as you dont see it for sale often.

I think its probably more likely to have toned like that from being on display possibly with a light over it being magnified under glass.They dont take long to tone with any kind of heat and only a guess but imo more likely than just being put away.

Yes the format has been changed Jerry ,i have sent you the original which i have that clearly shows your name and initials by the pictures , obviously an error on Michaels part . 🙂 The original also shows B.Devitt and have not got a clue were Barrie came from.

I have been reading this earlier and dont know why but Michael was given the names of Blake devitt and Jerry by myself ,confirmed with me by email. Why one he has called Barrie ,unless that is correct and not what i mailed him and Jerry are not mentioned i have no idea. Pete.

Hat off Eric ,nice to find something you have been looking for that is so hard to find 👍

If you are putting them on here Ian ,i suggest maybe a new thread to keep everything together. Maybe Copper pennies ,as will be easier to see as a reference and not get lost and easier to find.

Will someone scan it for me please 😃

A good indicator for a true 1854/3 is the hair detail ,the ones i have seen have all been struck with not much hair from an old 1853 OBV die. If a coin has all the hair in a condition of VF or better from what i have seen it wont be one. The Alderley coin which i have seen in hand had good lustre and a really good example was graded As Struck in the catalogue ,reason being it was so weak to the OBV. So as daft as it sounds to find a really good one means you are looking for a really bad one to the OBV 😃 Looking at the hair means you can quickly discount the majority if your not sure looking at the date in pictures. Lots of 1854/3 are miss described IMO as are the 1858/2 & 1858/3 as regardless of what people think they are , they are both different coins. Only the coin with a die crack through the date is thought to be over a 2 and has a different font than the other.