PWA 1967

Not sure about that Cliff as the detail is incuse on the die so i dont think a die clash would of caused it .

Its wear to the REV die and not the coin i think ,the die was recut to form the rose so probably an old die.

I have seen a copper penny similar and was told by a dealer. The coin was put between two pieces of leather and over long periods of time slowly put under pressure and pressed. The term is known as rolled and why the coin is the same weight and thinner. So just done post mint in this particular instance ....I think.

These Kew gardens have gone up quite a lot more over the last couple of weeks and circulated selling for £160 - £190 . The 2009 set with the shield in aswell now selling for £280 + , there are thousands of 50p collectors with one facebook group the other week registering over a 1000 people in a week. The £2 Gibraltar hercules series have all been selling out within a couple of minutes of being released ,with thousands not able to get them causing a secondary market. I am sure most new collectors are more interested in decimals rather than the pre decimal coins we all collect on here .

I get bored not buying anything so look for varieties for other collectors to fill gaps or to pass them on to dealers who help me .I found these three the other day and although not the best grades are quite sought after. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUEEN-VICTORIA-PENNY-1861-1D-GREAT-BRITAIN/363050949482?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUEEN-VICTORIA-PENNY-1881-GREAT-BRITAIN-UK/363050960017?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 Also a 1861 F22 with the T in victoria struck over a higher T. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Penny-1861-UNC-with-some-lustre/114306706652?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Thanks John and about what i thought ,i wanted to be fair and not ask to much and didnt ask you privately as know the one you bought was also not attributed 🙂

I dont know if anyone can help me please as i have asked a couple of dealers over the last few days and they dont have a clue. I have a 1858 Large rose Large date to sell graded CGS 70 AUNC UIN 42529 and a good one but nothing to compare it with. CGS have put a price of £125 and the only one they have graded , same price as a normal 1858 and worth more than that. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&searchterm=1858+Penny+Large+Rose&searchtype=1 The ones in LCA above are the only ones i have seen attributed correctly and most the small date and low grade. Any help on a price or guide would be appreciated ,please message me if you wish. Pete.

When i did one ,i put the phone in a stand ( cut a hole in a plastic tub 😄 ) which then allowed me to have both hands free.I put the coin close to the camera ,tilted the coin a couple of times and turned it over ,so moving the coin at different angles.It was just an alternative way of looking at a coin that represents exacly how you would view it if looking in hand. I was bored the other morning and just a different way of putting the coin on the forum ,although Matt ( Forum member ) three or four years ago sent me a video of a coin which he wasnt sure was a proof. We both agreed at the time it looked so much better with regards being able to tell than the photograph. Much better to move the coin close to the camera and turn it over than just doing a video of a flat coin that isnt moving ,if anyone can be bothered 😃

I think most of us who often look on ebay have found coins cheap , not being attributed or the seller maybe not knowing what they had. One seller though who does deserve a Hat Off is Mr.Jerrams ,always described properly with good pictures ,quick postage and will accept returns. I probably get the quickest delivery as he just crosses the road and gives them my daughter straight away 😃 This is one i bought of him a few years ago ,which at the time i didnt realise was as scarce as it turned out to be and was described by him as " BP1896Ad Wide date GEF and Rare " . Below is the link for his current listings. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/topcarp2/m.html?_trksid=p3692

Had another go but sruggling 😂 1873

Dont knock it until you have seen a good one ,you may be surprised 😂 How many times has someone said "Looks better in hand" or "Hard to take a picture in plastic ". Proofs show much better and the video does not hide anything and can be better than a photograph . All good fun and was just trying to do something a bit different with a comparison of both a picture and video ,which then would of let you be able to decide .

Bored and cant sleep so done a couple more with a video for a change. Well Richard i should of perhaps listened properly to my mate who showed me as that didnt work 😂

Having a mate to show me 😃

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1865 / 3 Satin 56c

Been doing a couple of pictures that i think look nice ,so thought i would share them. 1865

You know a lot more than me Eric and dont profess to have any interest in them or had looked at any before they were pointed out to me.You mention the dies ,is there not a possibility that different dies were used or mixed OBV 1 & REV 2 from the standard proof , just a thought and maybe i am completely wrong. Why did they strike a different penny with indicators that everyone is aware of and not produce any of the others differently ? The person has been looking at coins for quite a while and has looked at probably at lot more than most.If he can tell me loads of indicators off the top of his head and just rhyme them all off i believe he has quite a stong opinion or view and they may speak for themselves when you compare one with a standard proof. Also he has looked at hundreds of 1953 proof sets and found two ,it makes me think the two he bought and sold were correct. Otherwise he may well of been selling them everyweek and would not be able to spot one straight away. With regards the other people you mention yes they will all have an opinion although maybe sometimes if you dont know what your looking for its going to be harder to find or confirm. All good fun and them being so rare i suppose will mean we wont find any or maybe there is know such thing 😃

Fake news i have just read so deleated 😂

Yes ,they all have different indicators Eric ,although aparently the hardest one to spot is the Brass threepence as they are almost identical.

Sorry if this has been mentioned on earlier posts ,i am not interested enough to read this and other threads 😃. I remember talking about the 1953 VIP coins to someone a while ago and jogged my memory as we had a similar discussion over the weekend. All the denominations for the 1953 VIP coins have different indicators to the standard 1953 proofs and vary on each coin from teeth , letter pointings , designers initials ,size of the head / bust etc The person telling me has had 2 sets ( one with a couple missing ) and tells me you can tell from the indicators at a glance . I didnt have a clue and just thought it was the penny that was easier to spot . Pete.