PWA 1967

I have put a light on the coin to show the spot which did not show properley in the scan and am sure someone will be happy with it ,but not me.

Bit of a coincidence .......... I received in the post earlier a 1914 UNC penny that looked nice in the scan and although i signed for it at lunchtime have only just had the opportunity to look at it..Unfortunately it has a live verd spot and the Verd has got into the metal. Rather than think about trying to improve the way it looks i have just put back in the packet and will post it back tomorrow. For the sake of a couple of £ postage i dont wish to keep it as plenty to choose from and would not sell it someone else other than a dealer . If a coin has been dipped or anything else that has changed its appearance ,either keep it or return it .The important thing is to be able to tell and then the choice is yours just the same as someone you may sell it to. Some may of just had a light quick dip and some look like they have been painted white 🙂 The one thing i dont like about the TPG Conserved ones you mention is this is no longer put on the label or so i am told ,meaning IMO maybe dealers are submitting them just to inflate the price. Pete.

I am not sure if you are asking an opinion or making a statement 🙂 Most coins you can find so have a choice, you can buy a coin with obvious signs of cleaning or find one that may fit in your collection better. Alternatively if its rare you buy it or keep looking and have a gap its all down to the individual as to what they will tollerate. If a coin has had something done and there are know obvious signs (so its hard to tell ) then yes it could be classed as conserved or was incidental with regards any damage to the coin. Some photos or scans may give you reason to not be sure and if in doubt move on to the next ,or return it if your not happy with the coin in hand as the people who read forums and look at coins often will be right. You mention that toning sometimes becomes so bad that it detracts from the coin this is more the choice of the collector but if your not happy just buy another one rather than mess around trying to change it.The decision to clean or not to clean would i think be better as to buy or not to buy ,if your not sure maybe look for another and dont buy it in the first place. To say that cleaned coins attract such negative comments on the forum would hopefully mean the individual may learn as i have and continue to ,rather than just thinking every coin is ok. Sorry if i should of just read your post and not given my thoughts Pete.

I dont think IMO they are worth near that price in that condition ,they have been for sale a while. https://bsjauctions.auctionmobility.com/lots/view/1-1XDHD8/united-kingdom Would want them to be graded RED and even then the money is only in one coin. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1902-Penny-2-EDWARD-VII-1901-1910-Low-and-High-tides-UNC-lustre/233262303269?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D1238a13735a74030ab2955d0b9562e11%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D233262303269%26itm%3D233262303269%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2481888&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A9fea8bae-c991-11e9-ab07-74dbd18072d8|parentrq%3Ad841da3e16c0a9c9a87c711dffe55526|iid%3A1

There isnt a 2019 buckingham palace ,so might be worth a few quid

I think its the one on Richards site Jerry ,a retired from the forum member bought it 🙂

If its a 2019 Buckingham palace one Copper you need to get it on ebay 😮 🙂

Yes......Unbelievable ,i am a city fan and could not turn the cricket over. Big hat off to Leach ,as a lot of pressure for a non batsman 👍

Another BP1944B NOT MT that i have

"onto a fortune" i dont think they are doing so bad Peter with the two main companies having done nearly 90 million already ,think they are only interested in their name on the label and not bothered about the coin thats in it

I am no expert but its a F176. First 1 of date to tooth ,no rim & sea intersects tooth 🙂

The 1926 as the pictures are not mine i cant be certain but think so and would say yes and blackened later ,the others are just the CGS ones before grading and also blackened later.

You have a good memory Jerry and yes ,its three and a half years ago now 🙂

Sure it will be a really nice one Eric and yes different collectors collect different things.I dont really buy the Low grade ones anymore or any with problems and prefer to have gaps.Although this means i am currently going through a bored phase as cant find anything that i really want 🙂

I bought this a few years ago but have not put the pictures up before ,the pictures are not mine although the coin does have better lustre in hand. 1926 ME ..........CGS 80.

F50 1865

Peck 1342 ,again IMO looks much better with the different background 🙂

Thanks for confirming Mike as looked at Pecks a couple of times and was starting to confuse myself ,again

This is my F160 with a picture that is clearer

Looks like F160 to me Peck 🙂

LETTER........Whithout typing everything or posting the letter that has some detail better not on a public forum Mr Freeman does mention the Coin monthly articles and having previously read them. The coin he had been posted was the first one he had SEEN IN HAND. After mentioning all the differences attribute as 1* an intermediate between OBV 1 & 2. Statistics reported by Alexander 1 in 567 would be R5 on his scale. The scale worked out before decimalisation and now (1978)difficult to estimate how many coins still exsist and if the proportions in which particular types or dates were hoarded is similar or different from the average. Pete.

Yes i dont have Courts varieties / numbers thought in circulation anymore ,i did have and mailed it a couple of people but lost it when i changed my mail address.It did make me think that the 1978 date seemed a little late and what was actually written in the DNW letter. Freeman does not mention it on some papers i have dated 1980 ,which he was preparing updates and amendments from the first , such as F144 ,151 & 152 not being genuine. Although the letter in the DNW sale is dated 1978 and maybe he was busy trying to find others which without the internet and pictures would not of been easy 🙂 I will phone DNW up to see if they can help me 🙂 ................................................................................................................... Rather than keep posting they are going to scan the letter and mail it me.

It would probably be interesting to know the contents of the letter by Mr.Freeman in 1978 for the DNW coin. A possibility was the coin was part of a large collection that has been sold by DNW recently and could therefore all stack up if only to confirm they were discovered around 1978. It wouldnt make the coin IMO worth anymore although its better than most and probably know photographs were taken at the time to confirm but an interesting coin with a letter 🙂 If anyone does view the coin / letter and would be prepared to share ( even after buying it ) the information on here or by PM please do. https://www.dnw.co.uk/auctions/catalogue/lot.php?auction_id=512&lot_id=64543 Pete.

No Fletch.......Its an overlay to show the spikes you asked about 🙂. Although i did have the actual coin and a lot of the die clash did show but not as clear as the picture above , a forum member has it now.

This shows how a rotated clash would be also on an 1867 . Pete.