PWA 1967

The problem with some of these i think is the person who submitted the coin may of taken something off.This then makes the coin not look so bad when sent ,although could then just reappear in a short period of time. The grading company can only encapsulate / reject what they see at the time ,exactly the same as we can when we buy one from a dealer or auction .There is always the possobility a dealer or seller has taken a spot off one before selling it. They look ok today but the odd one may come back ,like the guy who posted on this thread saying he cleans them with vinegar before sending them.

Thanks sword. Thinking about it also the few weeks leading up to the coin being sent to be slabbed the coin has possibly been handled by numerous people (without gloves ) and more than it was lying about for years before. If you buy a coin from a picture by a TPG and your not happy then just send it back ,its no different than any other coin.I mentioned before about buying them from auction and doing so at your own risk. I think you will get the odd one that may change over time ,just the same as buying one from any coin fair and putting in a holder of your own choice. Its an interesting comment you make about gloves as i only tried them once and threw them in the bin,i am much more confident just picking one up without them.Although i dont buy any proofs which i think would be the only time i would need to be maybe a bit more carefull. I have sent a few to be graded by cgs and although i have had a couple that were not perfectly encapsulated , have received back a coin that i was happy with before and still am. Thank you again Pete.

All good fun and as you and most dont send any you have nothing to worry about. As far as the handling your making it sound like companies just get your coin ,spit on it and throw it round the room .I can assure you they all want you to get the coin back in the same conditiuon you sent it. Can you post the cgs picture or alternatively the UIN please .

I dont want to sound to harsh Sword but anyone buying at auction 😶 If your buying at auction and going off photos or a description and it turns up not as expected then whos fault is that. Yes you can blame lockdales or anyother auctioneer but like any coin if you dont look at them or ask someone else then its IMO our own fault. I have bought a couple that i could not get rid of quickly enough and learned but like any auction its better to be sure what you may end up buying rather than any disappointment after. Sometimes as i mentioned in another post its always easier to blame someone else and sure the seller was happy which is who the auctioneer was acting on behalf of.

Sorry but i am a bit thick ,so may of missunderstood and if so apologise 🙂 IF....You mean that the cause of verdigris and corrosion are due to the metal mix in the blank and thiese would not happen if the blanks had been properly prepared ? Then IMO i am not sure about that ,yes the metals and mixes (blanks ) are sometimes more prone to verdigris GROWING on a coin such as copper but surely its not the only reason 😶 On the other subject........................ As far as people sending them for grading and them developing problems after i feel your talking the odd one out of thousands and It is for the sender to check the coin before sending and the grading company to do the same and not start taking spots or bits off. If its a cheap coin just take it out ,remove the verd and keep the ticket.If its an expensive one break it out and resubmit with the ticket.and if its been left to long then live with it but dont blame someone else ,as thats always the easiest option. With regards the coin pictured it was purchased after (possibly well after ) the coin was slabbed ,so i doubt happened straight away and could of been years as a low UIN.If the coin was purchased in that state it should of been sent back if not happy the same as any other coin.If it was purchased at auction then like any other coin you take your chance if you dont view it in hand.

Sorry and i had spelt it wrong 🙂 its Goulborn..Will PM his number now anyway.

No he doesnt have a website Mike he just does a list every couple of months.I sent you his telephone number in a PM a couple of weeks ago. Looking at Daves last list he has / had a 1945 with 40% lustre.

Yes there was one recently were one side was fully MT and the other with none at all that Dave craddock had and although i didnt see it Bruce at Golbourn coins had on his last list. You will see them described as MT with 40% 60% Lustre etc.

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/bp_1944_varieties.htm There is know significance ,just another variety and yes can be called what you like

It looks cleaned to me but is a 4 to centre of wave over tooth.

Verd can be on any coin even as a loose particle that has been passed on from another and with grading companies they have different tollerances as to what is acceptable. The main problem is when the verd has got into the metal which in some cases will cause corrosion and damage the surface of a coin. I was quite surprised to see the coin above ,so have blown the images up from the UIN 5854 that Eric sent me. Looking at blown up pictures of the coin which was pictured before being slabbed i cant see anything at all ,so feel it has changed since it was graded.

There you go Mike as dont think Eric can put the picture up.

I was going to post the details ( DELETED ) of what ebay told me today but then thought that if someone was reading this who does the same type of listing it may help them. Will have to wait and see what happens ☹️

Will tell you after i have met her tonight 💘😍😘

This is not fair and bang out of order. I have just spent 10 minutes on the phone and been going through this part of the forum with a lady from ebay . If your reading this again Axxxxx 💘 ..... Can only try . Pete.

Thats sad as a genuine bidder...........I am tempted to put a bid of £1,000,000.00 in so he does not buy it,but will probably only bid again when its relisted .

I would always phone first as i dont like emails or text messages to try and find something out , but didnt think it was worth phoning America with what was probably a daft question The email reply was obviously a computer generated one with opening times and a telephone number ,but as i said not important.

Dont start me off again Whats the bloody answer ?

£35.

I sent an email asking the question and have had a reply with just there telephone number on Never mind its not important.

No......Its quite normal for me and happens often

GIVEN UP..........You nearly put me in a rubber room again on Saturday night 😮

£45.

I just thought maybe someone on here may know but will do 🙂