PWA 1967

I also bought an 1856 penny the seller told me was EX-Alderley and had to tell him it wasnt although i believed he didnt know and had been ripped off with the price being bumped up.I did buy it off him anyway much cheaper as was a really nice one ,but again i am glad i checked first before i bought it , as he hadnt.

I remember someone trying to sell me a coin a few years ago ago that the provenance wasnt right......Which i only found out later ☺️ Soon after i bought a penny from an auction (not LCA) only a few known and really good provenance.When i received the coin i was able to get the sellers details and asked him how he knew the provenance that was stated in the description. "i think someone told me "was his reply which didnt sound very promising I then was able to send a message to the person himself who supposedly last had it , as he is still alive......... "No it definately wasnt mine " wasnt really what i wanted to hear ☹️ The auction in fairness did offer me a full refund ,although i decided to keep it. A couple of years later i took a LOSS (it was bugging me ) and sold it making sure the person knew it WASNT right. Provenance is nice although the lesson i learned was to always check and be sure and otherwise just put a line through it and buy just the coin.

Yes.When i was doing some research i found this link quite interesting.Not just pennies but other denominations ,some of which have been asked about previously on here. https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/special-collections/foreword.php?specialcollection_id=160 If anyone is interested you can click on the tab at the bottom and some have footnotes as well as descriptions. I believe there are a few others about ,but as i mentioned just a bit different.

😂 I can laugh at myself Dave ,so dont mind laughing with (at) others 😛

That person was me , i had only just started collecting but looking at the messages i sent you there was no "winge" just how much would you accept for it as I could not reach the reserve without an underbidder ☺️ Its the reason i remembered your original thread. Maybe 5 years ago you did not think the newbie who knows nothing would still be around

https://www.tokenpublishing.com/ There isnt a link Eric as its a pay for magazine although you can purchase an email copy for just a couple of pound.This cant be shared though as will only work as far as i am aware from the email address its purchased from .To see what the format is like though first you can have a look FOC at a previous issue.

Yes thats why i was getting confused , as you also do say in the first post that the coin came from the Crocker sale .

One thats a bit different (daft ) that i bought last week. A couple of other different types have been touted about recently but only wanted one 😉

Sorry there was a big thread posted on here a few years ago. that confused me . If you look on the TPG threads there is one called "I have gone and done it " that is about a F176......The last page 5. The crocker one being the same one as was sold at LCA about three years later and then Copthorne.

The slabbing does not change the coin Gary.when you bought it from the crocker sale you told cgs and they put a price of about the same value.As more were sold at higher prices they kept increasing it and is currently at £350 graded at 75. Just putting it in a plastic slab confirmed what you wanted which was the grade and the fact it was problem free . I am sure now perhaps more people are looking that your other one will do much better.

The Copthorne one Mike i think would of needed to be seen in hand.I am pretty sure its LCA Lot 2210 GEF £150 +.

Yes when you start looking there are not many F176 although there is more than two sold at LCA. The Copthorne one i am sure is one of the ones sold at LCA and the Frank Stephenson one was from the Andy scott sale.... the Workman one is wrongly attributed. Although the F164a i think people have decided if they want one to settle for a low grade and the F176 maybe people will only look for a decent one .

Yes your right Mike as i had noticed those and have seen the same in other auctions , also had two F164 that are scarce posted to me from different dealers without pictures that were not. Ages ago when i started looking at them closely i realised that the F164 and F165 are much scarcer than the common F166 ,so much so that i found it much easier to look at the reverse first as if it wasnt REV D it was worth looking at the obverse. Talking to Jon a few months ago about the number of 1908 / 1913 pennies wrongly attributed he said "i think i will just call mine what i want as everyone else does " 😂 Why you have decided thats what your doing Jon as with the one above then atleast use a good one 😛

As paddy who posted at the same time has confirmed.............Not everyone checks them

The main thing is to know what to look for as most auction houses / dealers dont bother and just rely on the people they have got them off and even when they are listed not always correct. There will be some in collectors trays who probably dont even know they have one A good example of this was the two that Dave craddock (mentioned above) had as he bought twelve 1913 pennies in a bag and two were F175. A decent one that sold on ebay recently by a dealer had been bought from auction and neither had checked and was also a F175. One i had was off a forum member who had bought a mixed lot of a few high grade pennies in auction and one was a F175 Yes much scarcer but worth looking and not just on ebay. This also possibly shows IMO amongst others i have found or know about ........ F176 is the scarcer of the two.

No Terrry St.James...........I was told the estimate was £80 -£90 K but not sure if he was just guessing 😉

I have noticed the 1952 Proof penny is for auction in June and will be interesting to see the price it sells for ☺️

Yes Jerry as he has done numerous times before i think he just makes them up as he lists them anything that it rare for the year will do.

It has been with two numbers ,first the 5 and then an 8 the second strike a correction that was not done firm enough IMO. The first 5 being entered as again should of been done in reverse the third number on a coin would be the second to look at on the die.

What appears to look underneath on a coin is on top on the die as the die is reversed i.e. the field part is the highest point on the die. All sounds a bit back to front 😶

Yes nothing wrong with the coin if its what your looking for , it just seemed a bit early for buying christmas presents.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OLD-BRITISH-VICTORIAN-PENNY-COPPER-COIN-1876-UNUSUAL-XMAS-GIFT-COLLECTORS-ITEM/273763552518?hash=item3fbd944d06:g:ZQQAAOSwmphaGR0q Christmas come early 😮

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDsZHJs5Z3U Go to about 20.00 a mate of mines brother...............☺️

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1957-Trial-Britannia-Moneta-Star-Stainless-Steel-PCGS-MS66/123624505135?hash=item1cc8983f2f:g:YR0AAOSwqeZamuf4 Not a worse offering but maybe someone can help me please. I have seen these before but can anyone tell me why they were struck please and what they are supposed to represent. I just put the link here as was the same seller as one above ......I must also mention as he is a forum user i dont have a problem with either 😉

I have just googled and read about Exeter change Will and found it interesting ,i didnt know that we even had an elephant over here that long ago .Not just about the time years ago but how the building has changed etc to todays new building on The Strand. I had never thought about these tokens before ☺️ Do you know an approximate year of the token ?