PWA 1967

Anyone else noticed over the last 12 months that more and more Copper and Bronze pennies are being sold that have been cleaned and dipped in TONING FLUID. There has always been a few and a collection sold at auction about 12 months ago had a lot in ,that i do know as returned three. However there are now dozens which IMO means that maybe some sellers are not doing it to the odd one but doing it intentionally to increase the sale price which in some cases has been ridiculous. I have put the links to show the cleaning and toning fluid due to being able to use the magnifier and not to target the two sellers as lots of coins not just on eBay are the same. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354391557616 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165877079811 Maybe some collectors dont mind and prefer them to look this way ,although maybe some especially new collectors dont know.

I believe 3rd January at 9-00AM on the Royal mint website.

MOST of the Copper varieties can be found quite easily in lower grades if your prepared to look and very rarely attributed. However finding them in HIGH grade is were it becomes more difficult and some harder than others ,such as the 1854 No (or weak) Colons. So the 1858 26a plenty of them and certainly not rare or hard to find , but how many do you see better than EF 😀 Like this 1854 DOT i bought at the weekend also ,plenty in low grade. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155307972243

A recent purchase and dont see many like most Copper varieties now in a decent grade ,Bramah 26a with the missing serifs on the I of Britanniar. Happy Christmas and all the best. Pete.

1933 Penny in the signature sale at Heritage ,although graded as currency and thought to be a proof 😀 George V Penny 1933 MS63 Brown NGC, Royal mint, KM838 (Rare), | LotID #62002 | Heritage Auctions (ha.com)

Not on eBay ,but i nearly bought this one privately about 8 months ago ,seller only sent me a picture of the obverse. Glad i checked 😀 https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6133401-007/64/

Just an update for anyone who has one or maybe interested ,both the Large rose sold after the auction for the reserves. Although was only informed this morning.

Yes ,i must of set the reserves to high ,which is always hard if not much to compare them with. However IMO much better than having a reserve that is to low and risk giving them away ,just a case of trying to be fair / realistic and now found out i was wrong 😀

Yes the Large date is only what i consider rare in grades above VF ,like most copper penny varieties you can find most if you look hard enough. Try finding them in high grade though...... I have this Large date in the Baldwin Auction and not many as good to the best of my knowledge ,if it wasnt for the ejection pinch at the top i feel it may of graded higher.

Not the exact same place ,but i bought this penny the other week and in between the same letters ,maybe something to do with a setting out mark as a bit coincidental that the dot could be anywhere else on the coin.

Just to add to how rare these are although you know F474 4+C. I have just been talking to Dave Craddock and over 40 years has looked at thousands and never found one ,in his opinion they are much rarer than R12 👍 If he tells me something is extremely rare it will be , as MOST types of BRONZE coins he will of had a few of and probably handled and looked at more than anyone else.

Not purchased this week but received back from NGC today. Really happy with the grade as although its a weak strike as quite a few are they are scarce BU and Graded RED. Verify NGC Certification | NGC (ngccoin.com)

Yes Dave phoned me Sunday asking why he had lots of people ask him for it , as he didnt think they were rare and seen and had plenty Large roses. By his own admission he didnt know the SMALL date was worth more and just priced as large rose 😀 The coin in Balwin is mine and the Low estimate of £400 i felt going off previous sales with only a few known fair.

Baldwin bought the coin last Tuesday and the OBV picture just a quick one on the day they bought it. The coin has now SOLD though ,just incase anyone was interested ,rather than wasting your time making enquiries.

One thats a bit different that Baldwin have bought , much better than the other they sold not long ago. Gold penny and with provenance back to 1871.

Baldwin's Numismatic Auctioneers. - Auction Catalogue A few pennies in the next Baldwin Auction.

Looking at the sale at LCA with the LOT number that is still on the slab ,its the same coin i used the REV picture of on the other thread. I wondered where it may of ended up or who may of bought it from LCA ,well spotted. Its also on the CGS website as 2 + B 👍

Reason i put this on is the coin has gone to auction with some others and did not want to suggest to the cataloguer something that wasnt correct or misleading. I think " Rare with very few known above VG grade " is honest ,i didnt want the coin to be listed and then find out there were plenty i didnt know about.

Sorry i know its only a date width ,however i believe these to be rare in grades above VG. If anyone has one better than VG can you let me know please. BP1896Ad 11-5 teeth ,with the 6 to the right of a tooth.

Sent you a message.

Hopefully someone here bought this on eBay last friday night ,if you did can you confirm it please as obviously only going off the picture or message me. Well done ,you were super quick. I saw it listed on my phone ,looked at the REV nothing ,looked at the OBV ,went to buy it £1-50 SOLD 😂😂

Is there anything else you are interested in and maybe missed ?

50P thats released next week in the BU packets and then for circulation at a later date..

Using laser to clean coins !!! | cleaning coins in few seconds with this new technology. - YouTube Makes me wonder if they use this on some they clean / conserve to get rid of the crap and leave an even colour ,even though they are removing the top layer. I have seen a couple recently that have come back much worse than they were sent for conservation and is daft that they reject them for being cleaned BUT think its ok if they do it.

Yes its an 1865/3 ,just not very clear on the picture. The coin was mine and the Satin type of which there are four was confirmed by John Jerrams for me a few years ago.