Colin G.

Also worth a read http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35754738

Damn it, auto correct...or my fingers and brain not co-ordinating!!

I would suggest it really does depend on the value, size and make up of the collection. How is the collection presented, is it in cabinets and albums or coins grouped in boxes. Knowing the size of the collection and the type of material included within could make a big difference in the approach I would recommend. What types of coins are in it?

How can a system that can get such basic logical decisions so wrong be workable? The legal protection of our citizens would and should be protected by our own legal system. I like to think the moral principles on which this country is based are quite balanced and compared to other countries around the globe are amongst the best. Do we honestly believe that the basic rights of millions would be lost and our moral obligations would change in such a drastic way if we were not in the EU? But I would argue that if we were out we could have more influence over own destiny. The principles of globalisation are fine, but we can't make a single union of a handful of countries work harmoniously, the EU is the next step up and is also struggling to make decisions with a single goal in mind because each nation inevitably is fighting for their own corner.

I think this is a really difficult proposition. Many of the bronze proof farthings of the Victorian Bunhead series that I have seen, I can not convince myself are actually proofs. They appear to be specimen like and were obviously produced with special attention, but do not compare to the known proofs from the years sets were issued. Therein lies the problem, I would say they are a specimen coin whilst others may say they are proofs....some circulation coins also have been struck from what appear to be specially prepared dies, or are early strikes so they present with a clean strike and mirrorlikek fields. The 1895 veiled head farthing is a good example, they can also be found with a cameo effect and proof like fields, yet are certainly circulation strikes, but from what were a new set of dies for a new design.

I agree that was a reasonable price...I just had to make tough decisions

Politics and forums is never a good idea..are we sure we want to head down this route...we end up arguing over whether a coin should be encased in plastic

I just get concerned that in 40 years we have progressed to this position, how much time is needed to make these "changes". If we haven't been able to make them by now what chance do we have in the future.

Couldn't agree more

Out.....it is all about decision making and making our elected representatives responsible for their actions, and that is something we currently can not do whilst in Europe. It is a geographical region made up of different cultures, lifestyles, and political parties that all rightly pull for their own interests. This is not what I want for my country where decisions are made that may not necessarily suit us. Whether you believe in an increase in migration or want to control immigration, this is a debate we can have as a nation after we have left the EU and we will actually be able to control the outcome this time, and hold our elected members accountable for the outcome. I see guidance for construction introduced from Europe, and you can see how a perfectly workable British Standard that was created by a working party with input from interested parties in each in individual field is replaced by a standard that tries to do the same thing across EU but you can see the bureaucratic involvement within. For example all religious buildings are exempt from the energy efficiency requirements, this aspect was introduced by European guidance. The result is that any religious building in the UK does not have to meet the same energy efficiency requirements that all other buildings in the UK would under Building Regulations. They are all exempt from any energy conservation requirements. It is understood this was introduced because of the number of small orthodox churches in Greece and other EU countries..but the guidance has to be applied to all building that fall into the category. We are constantly told that control for Local Authorities needs to be devolved because we are trying to apply Government guidance and that "one size does not fit all" across the country...and yet we are now being told that the exact opposite is beneficial in Europe. Don't be blinded by the argument that environmental and equality issues were the positive aspect of the EU, as a nation we have always tried to do the right thing and I do believe that if we had not been in the EU we would still have the same moral principles that we do now regarding the environment and equality, in fact we may have been leading the way!! Finally I find it quite bizarre that we tell the rest of the world how they must sit around the table to negotiate in areas where conflict is present, and then groups of people on both sides of this debate who normally would not politically align on other issues can not stand together on a stage and campaign for what they supposedly believe in for this debate...I think a lot of those involved need to take a good look at themselves. If anyone thinks they are going to get truthful facts on this debate...I would not hold your breath...they are unlikely to surface. My gut instinct tells me that we need to be out and if I am wrong then I will live with the consequences..I just want my politicians to take the same responsibility for their actions like I will and that is achieved by voting out.

That's how I know it went above £200, I got outbid as well

@mrbadexample I am sure it was higher than £200

If its any help it went past £200...I was struggling to keep up writing all of the prices down and waving my hand in the air at the same time and watching the budget I have never been very good at muti tasking..if you did get it, it was a nice example

I feel really bad because I didn't get all the viewing done yesterday, therefore I was still viewing this morning, and by the time I finished, the lots I was after were up. Once bidding had finished on the ones I wanted the pennies started, so I saw you guys from a distance but didn't want to chat to you whilst the penny lots were on and then just wanted to get home Honestly I am not ignorant I was in a grey jumper and wearing a very stylish beard The farthings were quite strong in places, with top graded slabs really pushing prices up but them others were quite favourable. I left the penny boys to it, but there seemed to be a few phone bidders waiting for some.

What Bob said

I am hoping to be there...but it will depend on how things go at LCA this weekend

Arrived, thanks

There are quite a few slabbed that are not...so it is bizarre they went the other way with this one

How big is "big"...

Wouldn't particularly bother me, for research purposes I would rather have the higher grade with faults, however I do inevitably end up trying to replace these with a fault free example with time, but like Jaggy I have given up rushing...good things come to those who wait

Yes they both seem to be that type, I would be interested in an images of the coin if possible (both sides).

It really is difficult to be certain from photos, and as Ian says grading by microscope can be useful in circumstances but inevitably will be a bit harsher. If you grade all your coins by microscope you will soon be left with a very small collection

When proof coins are struck the dies are normally polished to ensure that a nice mirror finish results once the coin is struck. Remember those areas of the design in relief(raised) would be incuse (sunk) on a die. This is what often produces a "cameo" appearance, because the polishing affects the fields (flat areas of the coin) but the sunken parts are often not polished so when a coin is struck, the hairlines appear to stop in areas where the coin is in relief. This also explains why what would be a scratch on the die is inverted when the coin is struck and appears as a raised hairline. Forgive me if you understand the terminology, I just thought it may be easier for people to understand who may not be familiar.

Vicky keep going with the terminology, I am sure I will start to use it one day.....enough repetition and it should start to sink in

There are as you say very different reasons behind such coins. The majority would be errors caused at the mint when a planchet (blank coin) has accidentally got mixed in with another batch of planchets for a different coin. For example if a two pence blank got mixed into the blanks for the 10 pence coins the result would be a 10p coin but with the colour appearance of a two pence. As for rarity it really does depend, most would be fairly limited in numbers and some may even be unique, but they are strictly error coins and therefore tend to be collected by error collectors. I suppose you could also theoretically get mint workers playing silly sods and dropping a few different planchets into the batch. Whereas it is not unusual for specific coins to be struck on a blank of a different material intentionally. This may have been for release as part of a set, such as the silver 10p and 1p pieces, for VIP's or it could have just been an attempt to try a strike on a different material to look at other material options for striking. Such examples are usually recorded when issued and therefore it can often be determined that they were intentionally struck rather than an error. A simplified explanation but hopefully it may answer some of your questions.