Colin G.

Cliff the fat 8 and thin 8 details are included on my website for 1862 farthings. For 1862 the fat 8 farthing is much scarcer. The fatter style of 8 was then encountered on a proportion of farthings from 1863 through to 1865. However I think in relation to your coin you are highlighting the much lower and wider bottom loop of the underlying 8. This is a type I have not yet been able to confirm with certainty, however I am aware of its existence. I also have an example in fairly low grade and I am convinced it may actually be a halfpenny sized 8 used in error, and overlays would seem to principally support the theory. However I need to see a higher grade example to be certain, so it is not yet included on the website. Yours would be the second example I have seen but that does not necessarily mean anything extra in terms of value...anyone else got one?

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With hammered coins you will get a lot of variation in the strike and the design appearance so I would not be too concerned if there are some slight variations. Many of these types of coins were found as part of a larger hoard which is why they manage to retain their condition after such a long period, however even individual silver coins can remain in very good condition below ground with the correct soil type. Regarding Spink, it may be worth getting a copy if you are thinking of building on the collection and you want to see a broad spectrum of other areas of collecting in one book. A lot of collectors and dealers do use Spink as a simple reference for coins of this period, however Spink does only tend to capture major types and does not really go into the detail of each series due to the fact it would end up about 4ft thick. If you intend to focus on a specific area of coins there are other references that may be more relevant.

Seconded

The last one I sold was about EF with some traces of lustre and I sold that for about £30 if my memory serves me well.

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I just wondered whether there was any chance the Obverse die may have made it back into the stockpile.....I always keep an eye out, although it is likely to just be wishful thinking

I often wondered as a farthing collector if the 1859 Ansell variety dies had ever made the transition to the farthing world like many other sovereign dies at the time...unlikely I know, but I would have liked to have ruled it out. Is there any information out there to clarify one way or the other?

Or plastic made to look like leather would be a more accurate description

Leather...ish

My brother was a banker until he retires early a couple of months ago on a 2/3 salery pension. For us mear mortals the days of big pension annuities are long gone.

I use the Lighthouse Optima albums which are slightly smaller than A4, when combined with the sleeves for 2x2 flips/paper envelopes they have been fine. The farthings still look a bit lost, but it gives you more room to write all the information down

A lot of trade weights bear a royal mark, so I would have assumed the same for coin weights that there would have been some form of official weight set

Hah, yes, indeed! Strangely I've never fancied the cabinet thing, not sure why? Whilst I don't think I shall ever find them in a grade that interests me (not that I'm even going to look for them at the moment), but there are a good number of legend variations, even for the Crown N! And then there's... I do think a full-size coin album could be pushing it though? Fascinating...cabinets have never appealed to me either...I don't even know why

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Stu in fairness I am the opposite, I tend to use Withers as my reference, and have not really looked at North/Spink in any great detail for this series, and that has mainly been due to the fact that Withers break the classifications down in to greater detail . Withers do show the dates overlapping, but the series is broken down int smaller time periods. Type 28-29 : 1300-1310 Type 30 : 1310 -1314 Using date alone the type 28 could potentially be attributed either way, however type 30 has been attributed to Edward II. Although Withers do clearly state that they feel the farthings are not that easy to classify from a date perspective because of prolongued re-use of the remaining dies, and therefore additional combinations can be found which could potentially have been produced during either reign, but for the purposes of classification they have been attributed to a specific time period.

Me too!!

I remember that one from Colin Cooke's collection...very nice!

Best way to lower that blood pressure is to buy a few farthings Always works for me....wishing you a speedy recovery!!

Someone from my home town came up with the design, so I have to like it!!! We have actually won something The inscription is on the inner rim which looks to be a new feature

I appreciate that it is an initial mark punch and not a letter punch, but it just does not seem to resemble a C as it would have been produced at that time. Is there any chance of a montage of possible initial marks for the series that you know exist for comparison? I could see it as some form of double rose...possibly if I squint and hop up and down on one leg....maybe

Sorry but I wouldn't buy the "C" theory mainly due to the shape. It is a square edged C, and whilst admittedly I am a farthings man, I cant recall seeing any C's that even closely resemble that shape at that time. I am still mulling over options and will comment further at some point

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