Colin G.

I am watching but last time the online bidding was way behind..bidding was almost impossible

I am also not an error man unless I can not refuse the bargain......well it is definitely not an 1831, so must be 1834-1837

The logic behind it was the smallest bird for the smallest denomination..perhaps it was a lot to do with the wren being a very common small bird widely known by the population whereas the other two are less well known. Alternatively a baby wren is smaller than a goldcrest or firecrest

What have you done only another 12 to get now to complete the set http://www.aboutfarthings.co.uk/Lauer%20Model%20Farthings.html A very nice example by the way!! Thanks Colin, a genuine eBay bargain as far as I'm concerned! 9 + G, Rogers 877? Spot on!!

What have you done only another 12 to get now to complete the set http://www.aboutfarthings.co.uk/Lauer%20Model%20Farthings.html A very nice example by the way!!

I can see whe I agree that it has the same appearance, but this feature is also visible in the 5/4. I have yet to see an example that clearly illustrates a 5/3, but it is certainly feasible. Also worth noting that there are at least two different dies with the 5/4 feature, one is further to the left than the other so much more of the underlying 4 is visible.

I am also on standby

If you imagine the die cut with 184 and no final digit, but it never gets used in the 1840's so at the start of the 1850's they re-punch the die that only has the three digits, so it is now bears 185 and then you can punch any other last digit in place, so that the last digit does not show as re-punched....hope that makes sense?

There are definitely 5/4 examples with the 1850 farthings and 5/7 and 5/3 are also rumoured, but I am convinced they are all the same 5/4 in different stages of progression if you bear in mind that they were using master dies with the first three digits struck a 5/4 is very likely as the end of the 40's and the beginning of the 50's began. http://www.aboutfarthings.co.uk/Site%20Images/Victoria/Copper/1850-Obv2b.jpg

Definitely an 1850

Came across this whilst doing the farthing search http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1816-George-III-farthing-quarter-penny-lovely-example-/131030782484?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item1e820b1214

No problem..I always just think of you when I see them, I don't know whether that is a good thing though

For me I always think it has to be easily distinguishable. You have to be able to pick up an example and be able to classify it easily into one of the two varieties. I just don't see anything in that picture that I would consider significant enough to be recordable (if on a farthing) , I think you can get some difference in digit thickness and difference in strike that can lead to some minimal differences across coins.

Certainly looks a bit ropey, I wondered if it may have been as a result of the coin being heated up. I have tried to spot a repair. The fact that the tone is only in the recesses also makes you think it may be as a result of a surface residue of something used to clean the coin, which has subsequently been removed form the higher points.

I would say that the definition of a "must have" coin will vary across members on the forum. Your version of a must have coin is likely to be one that is very few in number, and you may not get another opportunity to acquire an example for quite some time, then the AT may not be as big an issue assuming the price is right. However for others a must have coin is likely to be determined by its aesthetic qualities and therefore would be snubbed by many.

Sky blue? It is uniform and overall. It may be a cleaning agent residue rather than deliberately AT, but it dosn't look very natural in hand.The blue is highlighted because of the change in relief on the design, but is in the fields too. I agree that it may be a residue of some sort, or reaction from previous storage conditions, but for me that is not AT, the coin has not undergone deliberate enhancement. The blue may not be your preferred colour , but I don't believe anyone could achieve that tone on bronze/copper instantly and deliberately. Actually if you want to sell it at a severely knocked down price to me because of that bright blue AT, I may consider taking it off your hands

Me neither, I can see the feature you mean but that could just as easily be a flaw in the die, it also seems to be a common area for a 5 to obtain a flaw I knew I should have typed faster

Oh dear

Rob I have to say I would not be convinced that what is shown on that coin is AT. My verdict may be different with coin in hand, but that tone seems quite plausibly natural to me. What led you to the conclusion that this coin is AT?

In fairness to people looking at the images the coin only displays this tone when viewed at an angle, but the image taken captured the colour really well. In hand from most angles it does appear typical colour with only a faint hue normally visible, but again for me that highlights why it is difficult to be certain from a single photo (other than when it is a blatant eye watering rainbow like some of the pics previously posted).

VS the 1806 is a copper proof hence the tone...it is perfectly natural....I personally think it is good that you challenged some of the coins

Interesting comment, I deliberately put up an image of my 1858 farthing to try and see whether anyone would comment on the uneven tone displayed in the photo, the tone is definitely original and genuine, but the coin has prooflike qualities and has the smoothest fields I have seen on a circulation issue copper farthing. I believe it to be struck from polished dies, because the Obverse does show signs of severe polishing around the hair/bun (areas of field visible that are not usually present). The devices also exhibit frosting/matte finish. The colours in the photograph do indicate cleaned and retoned to me and that is what I would have said if someone had put them up. After all it is important to see how far away from the norm can still be genuine....however if you weren't talking about my farthing sorry for the ramble

That York Halfcrown has some eye appeal...there are some proper droolers in this thread!!

The Reverse

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