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Well the one on the left has two circles of lettering on reverse, and is either a groat or halfgroat, probably the latter given its size though it is quite clipped. London mint and probably Edward III. The pellets between the letters of TAS are interesting. The other looks to me a penny of Edward I/II, bifoliate crown. But I’ll leave more detail to others better informed. Jerry

Bah humbug! Just give me the prezzies and some beer. At least I can start commenting ‘evenings getting later’ from tomorrow. I try to be the first. And I do like New Year. But I gladly send my Best Wishes to you all. Jerry

Yes. Always worth a visit. Jerry

I was bemoaning the lessening likelihood of acquiring one for my local collection at your stall at MCF recently; You reassured me otherwise, and I won the coin at half its previous hammer price! If it arrives in time, I’ll bring it Sunday. I want to chat re provenances. Jerry

I had half a mind to bid on it as an upgrade, but stymied that by making an expensive non-penny purchase. Looking at book value I noted the illustration with the same toning marks. Interestingly my other purchase is also ex Adams and the Spink plate. Rob might make a good guess. More to follow eventually. Jerry

The picture in the Spink catalogue that illustrates the coin type. Jerry

Yes, I spotted that too, even put a low ish bid on it. Not many bargains get through these days. Interestingly the 1837 penny is the Spink plate coin. Jerry

It’s been pulled, see above. Jerry

They will have posted the catalogue to Easylive some time ago and it’s probably more difficult to update. But I suspect it will be passed when it comes to the actual auction. Jerry

It has been pulled, see this further email that I have just received. But they may re-offer it for sale in the future! Is this guy serious, or just trying to cover up a really basic error? Time will tell. Confidence seriously shot, either way. “Good afternoon, Thank you for getting back to me. Yes, we would still offer this coin, however it was intended to be in a monthly timed e-sale but unfortunately, made it's way into the premium due to the error in cataloguing as re-strike rather than replica. Lot 209 has been withdrawn and will be in our next e-sale with an updated description. If you would like to consign with us our commission is 8% and we would be delighted to assist you. Once again thank you for alerting us to this error sadly some to slip through the net. All the best, Tim Langley” Jerry

I think the “coin” may have been pulled, as the link now reads ‘lot not found’. Jerry

My reply to CC, will they take any notice? “Thank you for replying Tim, though I find the decision to continue with the sale of the Chinese Replica baffling, as do many others online - it’s a hot topic on one of the major on-line fora. You probably also need to review the ‘mintage’ figure you quote, as they are still being produced in China and available online for about £3. If it is purchased by a less aware client, they may not be happy when they notice the letter R punched on both sides and it does not enhance CC’s reputation. On the other hand, if it does sell would you sell a couple of dozen for me ? Regards, Jerry”

I just received this reply from CC, and they are now calling it a ‘replica’ rather than ‘restrike’. They really should have pulled it, to sell it does not enhance their reputation. “Thank you for brining this to my attention. This coin was supposed to be catalogued as a replica example and the description has now been updated. Thank you again” So you could have whole auctions of Chinese replicas? Idiocy. And much cheaper on Aliexpress. Jerry

I have emailed Coin Cabinet. This is really poor. ☹️🤡

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I would say it was modern Chinese cr*p. It’s awful. Jerry

Just been to the mailbox for today’s mail, and found a lovely Sovereign Rarities catalogue dedicated solely to Bernie’s Collection, this is a keeper and will have a value of its own one day! To be fair it may have arrived before the auction, possibly yesterday as leaving the log fire in this weather isn’t tempting in the foothills of the Black Mountains. Snowy, Brrrrrrrr! Jerry

Wow! Did you win anything Richard? I won the 1862 8/6 as an upgrade, MS62 for a bit over 2k I thought very reasonable (and I know what you paid for yours Richard, jammy ***). Also the MS 63 F9 mule at a bit over 4K total, again an upgrade and one of the ones where the auctioneer missed the flurry of bids that came in after mine online, but decided that my bid was the winner as she had set a precedent with earlier lots. If it stands, a decent coin with fewer marks than the MS64 and £1500 less than the comparable Cope example. Although prices were high overall, some of the ‘commoner’ rarities were undervalued, the ones you mentioned and I think the F103 and F69 and F28. Jerry

Lines from polishing the working die would be raised, but from polishing the planchet would be incuse. Jerry

Nice legend error, yes definitely EN not ON. Mass or Blunt would be good research sources. I’ll have a look tomorrow if I have time. Jerry

Straightforward obverse 6 reverse G but a tidy enough coin. Jerry

I would say it is Freeman obverse 6, Gouby J with the close B and complete rose brooch on bodice. The reverse is Freeman G (introduced in 1861) , wide date and sea extends over linear circle. Jerry

Not actually a recent purchase, but while we are on 'missing leaf' pennies, here is my F22 for addition to your list if you wish, Richard. Jerry

Of course Richard, you really don’t need to ask me, it’s to the benefit of all penny collectors and a bit like organ donation, the presumption should be towards the greater good unless the donor has specifically objected. Jerry

The reverse.