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It’s absolutely a B over R, if this isn’t one then none are! It is the diagonal of the R that shows within the lower loop of the B and extends outside the loop to meet the R, exactly the features described in Gouby and now Freeman. Jerry

This is fascinating stuff....are these varieties collectively published somewhere? If not, can they be........? I know Richard has his excellent web pages, but this level of detail is superb, and really merits a book. Jerry

No problem...thanks.

Looks like it’s based on this type of portrait penny of John, but different moneyer and mint. https://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/collections/coinsandmedals/78186 But it looks a ‘wrong un‘ to me. I’ll be interested in what others think; if genuine it would have been grossly undervalued. Jerry

Please. I would dearly wish to be able to take my own...... Jerry

I have started this thread to allow forum members to record, with photos, coins that have gone missing, perhaps lost or stolen in the post, perhaps pilfered at a meeting or from the house, with the intention of alerting fellow collectors and possibly facilitating recovery should the lost coin re-surface in a future auction or sale list. The eventual recovery of a coin could also feature. The first coin is an 1858 small date large rose penny, purchased as a 'Buy it Now' from Northern Ireland on August 25th. Sadly this is now some two weeks overdue, and likely lost in transit by Royal Mail, though I still retain hopes that it may arrive or be returned to sender. Sellers pictures. Jerry

It looks as though I may have lost a rare penny now 2 weeks overdue posted in the UK, I will post its pics for your site Richard in due course. However I wonder whether we shouldn’t have a dedicated topic on this site in which to post pics of these coins and a short history of the loss. This would alert other collectors and might aid claims or litigation for return should the coin turn up in the future, as rare coins tend to resurface at auction or on dealers lists eventually. Recoveries could also be subsequently listed. If members consider this useful, I will start the topic with my coin. Jerry

I’m with Paddy here. I looked at it too, and thought it looked like a blob of corrosion, especially in the slanted picture. And Lukas has a long history with this sort of thing. Jerry

What on earth is this? Some sort of Chinese knock-off, I presume. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Britain-1898-One-Penny-Bronze/224143734971?hash=item343001f8bb:g:ppYAAOSwENVfUsAK Jerry

Here it is. https://www.jncoins.co.uk/Shop/pennies/626-george-v-bronze-penny-1926.html Jerry

Don’t be tempted...I’ve seen this coin for sale recently at several grand, this guy has just stolen the pics. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1926-ME-Penny-George-V-Uncirculated-NGC-MS-63-RB-Extremely-Rare-F-195/333710807341?hash=item4db2b6d12d:g:F-4AAOSwUKRfU67~ Jerry

“R&B” is likely “Roberts and Belk“ silversmiths of Sheffield. Jerry

These are “pseudo hallmarks “ on silver plate, not official hallmarks. Some can have meaning, for example the “S” may refer to Sheffield, and the “R&B” will be the manufacturer but others are simply ornate. Most Sheffield plate has marks similar. This seems a good reference; http://www.silvercollection.it/dictionarysilverplatepseudohallmarks.html Jerry

This knackered 1862 B over R in BRITT that I was bidding on was pulled today, presumably for an off EBay sale. I am not too aggrieved, as I have one nice one and two other poor examples but it is so annoying when it happens! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/One-Penny-1873-and-1862-England-Queen-Victoria-S-SS-/283985223175?item=283985223175&ViewItem=&nma=true&si=7jacaEOIZzM%2F9i4INN2leXJtvjs%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 One for your site Richard, and I have one yet to photograph. Jerry

That started as an ordinary auction, starting price £25. It was then pulled, reposted as a b-i-n, and sold. Someone I suspect made a behind the scenes deal for the coin at £100 , to be listed at a pre-determined time. Bargain for some-one. Jerry

Thanks for this Richard. Jerry

That’s the way I use to distinguish them, you can tell in an instant, even on some fairly blurry Ebay photos. Jerry

There is always the issue of different camera lenses and angles in these photos, so I have scanned my 3 best 1898 8 bisects on one image and edited it below to make the digits directly comparable. not great image quality, but might help. I think there might be subtle differences in font. Jerry

I was hoping someone would ask that. Both of mine are straight, I think. Jerry

You guys are all so bright! I got as far as 1, 2.....then got stuck as my shoes have laces! Jerry

I seem to have a sense of ‘deja vu’ again........ http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/12193-penny-acquisition-of-the-week/?page=54 see May 14th. Jerry

Must be double insulated....certainly I’ve never had a shock from mine. 🙄 Jerry

It’s washable, that will probably get rid of the bits. I hope so, I’ve been waiting for ages for my £1.30 offer, which came today. I will be very upset if my subsequent expenditure of £3.05 doesn’t match my massively raised expectations. I also see there is an offer on Brasso....... Jerry

True, indeed experimentally from the mid nineteenth century though specialised equipment such as triple colour projectors and special screen viewers was needed to view it. It seems that the first commercially successful method of colour photography was the product Lumiere Autochrome in 1907, which could be printed but was still very expensive compared to Black and White. As I said, the 1904 catalogue will have been tinted; but it does seem to be high quality photography of real coins, rather than of plaster-casts or line drawings more usually seen in publications at that time (when illustrated at all) and is exactly the sort of material needed to confirm provenance. Would I pay more for a well provenanced coin? I would still buy the coin rather than the name, but might go 10% higher than without. Jerry

Don’t be too influenced by the colours! In 1904 this would have been a black and white (or sepia) photo hand tinted for the catalogue. Does look nice, though! Jerry