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Looks like someone has been ‘improving’ it by re-engraving the hair with a sharp tool. Lukas also has 1863/1 and 1863 open 3 pennies in his latest batch, both ordinary coins mid-described. Jerry

It is interesting, a clogged die as Terry says, not of great extra value but I would keep one in my collection if I found one. Jerry

This forum reflects society, and has become politically polarised by the events of the last three years just as society in general. The degree of offence taken regarding a particular statement reflects the readers views and sensitivities, which may not be the same as those who give the opinion. We have to be tolerant of opposing views; we/I find it easy to be riled by what others post, but that is our/my problem not theirs, we are free to think what we want, and should stop using our own views as an excuse to be nasty to each other. We will never all agree. I have friends who want to ‘save the planet’ , and feel the only way to do so is by green technology and stopping war and famine. I also want to ‘save the planet’ but suspect that a 95% reduction in the human population is the only realistic way to achieve this. Clearly I would prefer nature in some way to arrange this, and the elimination of Donald Trump would be a good start. Eventually I reckon the planet will be just fine, but not the human race and many other species, yet another great extinction to be followed by further evolution , whatever direction that takes. I think it is ridiculous to think that the human race somehow deserves perpetuity, yet of course I love my kids and grandkids. My late father was pretty pragmatic regarding the pointless, unpleasant, self-cantered creatures humans are. But he loved nature and devoted his life to its conservation. You can read his obituary here https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/04/peter-davis-obituary and he will shortly feature in radio 4’s ‘Last words’ obit programme and in British Birds. Forgive me for being a bit maudlin , I had a couple of pints tonight. Jerry

Well done, Blake, and I agree from the EBay photos that it still has the top leaf, but let’s see what it’s like in the hand. Certainly a bargain price , if you compare with LCA sales. Jerry

Except that Labour couldn’t gain seats in the leave voting south, apart from a ‘two for one’ swap in London. So there was clearly much more at play. But don’t get me wrong, I am very happy for this result to be seen in Labour circles as a Brexit election. And I wouldn’t disagree with an interpretation that it was a re-run of the Brexit referendum , which is what you seem to be saying. 🤭 Jerry

£495 I think. Jerry

Many of the Labour hierarchy seem to be pushing the idea that this was solely a ‘Brexit’ election despite being of course multifactorial with personal dislike of Corbyn among Labours own voters being a massive issue, and distrust and certainly disregard for their ‘promise everything’ manifesto. I would of course not want to disillusion them, as continuation of left wing leadership in the same vein would suit the Tories very well, especially as none of the current postulated leadership candidates appear to be inspirational, though a couple are quite good in a shouting match. I am a bit sad that I will not be able to pay my £3 and show my massive support for the least able leadership candidate like hundreds of thousands did last time. That was a wonderful exercise in democracy, being able to choose in advance who your opposition will be prior to an actual election. I’m hoping the SNP will do the same and we can get Alex Salmond back, I’ve got my Scottish birth certificate ready! Jerry

Yes, the Anne sixpence is a well known replica. I think the rest are OK. Jerry

I think that a genuine new variety, a new die, or number or letter overstrike would have no difficulty attracting a massive premium. But I am inclined to agree regarding the dots and die flaws, at least until published. Jerry

You know those pennies we find occasionally with missing colon dots? Perhaps they fell off and got stuck somewhere else! 🤪 Jerry

Fantastic choices above! I have thousands of lp’s, but then I started in the ‘70’s, and am still buying. My preferred listening includes much of the above, but add Genesis King Crimson (especially Court of the Crimson King) Bowie Dire Straits but I also have folk , pop, jazz etc- quite a cross spectrum of the second half of the 20th century. One of my current favourite bands is ‘Big Big Train’ , great prog rock, saw them in concert last month. Have a listen on YouTube. Jerry

Well, tomorrow night our FLO who was closely involved in the case is giving a presentation about it to Hereford Detecting Club and I hope to be there . To be fair, the FLO has kept the club well informed. We are cremating my Dad tomorrow at two, (don’t worry, his death was a blessed release), and barring the unexpected should be free by six pm. Went to a club rally near Hereford this morning, everybody I spoke to was pleased with the verdicts and sentences. Jerry

I have known about this find since the police first took an interest several years ago, the finders were members of several South Wales detecting clubs including mine, and though I do not know them personally I know a lot about them through friends. Powell is said to be a nasty piece of work, he has been to prison before and has a bad reputation regarding drugs etc. Layton is easily led, but has previously worked well with the FLO in Cardiff and posted a number of coins from the hoard on various forums before suddenly claiming he had found they were all fakes, and ending the conversation. I suspect Powell got at him. I think left to his own devices, Layton would have seen sense. Wicks, the dealer from Sussex, is a long term dealer in fake coins and artefacts on EBay under various guises. Paul Wells I know well, a likeable man who was very stupid. I have heard his side of the story several times at Numismatic Society. I think the judge got it right with Powell and Wicks, and Layton and Paul Wells were foolish be led. The finders would probably have done very well had they abided by the law, they had the tenant farmers permission though not the landowners; that occasionally happens, and does not usually affect the Treasure Act payment to the finders if they were acting in good faith, though it might have left them open to private prosecution. Either way they all deserve their significant sentences for the damage they have done to the hobby of metal detecting and the reputation of coin dealers and purchasers. Jerry

It is the state that will finally determine whether we do become “cashless”, as the state is responsible via the RM and BOE for producing the actual cash that we use. There is undoubtedly a drive by the banks towards cashless, driven by improved technology, rapid processing ability and potential efficiency savings, ie greater profitability, and probably a certain perceived benefit to government by reduction in tax evasion potential from cashless. But while the government do continue to produce ‘legal tender’ currency and facilitate its distribution and usage, there will always be a significant proportion of the population that find it useful in many situations. A country could unilaterally become cashless, but this would have to be with government supervision and support, and with a great deal of national preparation to protect particularly the vulnerable in society. Jerry

Personally I prefer a ha-ha, buts that’s just my view. Or is that too subtle? Jerry

You’ll have a great time, take plenty of cash, as that is what most dealers will expect, and always haggle, at least 10% reduction on marked price is factored in by many. Set yourself some general targets in advance, don’t rush and don’t buy the first thing you see unless it really ticks all the boxes, you might find better on the next table! Dealers will often put things aside for a short time if you are seriously interested, but don’t take the p*ss. Do chat and ask questions, most though not all dealers are very happy to cultivate the interest of a newbie. Take a good loupe, and a reference book. You will find remarkably variable pricing structures. Jerry

My F67 has fairly wide rims too - or smaller teeth. It is clearly a circulated coin. Jerry

If some specimen coins have a wide rim, but are struck from the same dies as the later currency strikes, would they not have to have a larger collar in the press, and be measurably wider? Otherwise with a wider rim the die would have to be fractionally smaller for a coin of standard size. Any thoughts? Jerry And I agree, the coin in question could easily be a “specimen” from the picture. But can we reliably distinguish these from early currency strikes from ‘proof’ dies, or even ‘new’ normal working dies? Unless the existence of specimens is contemporaneously recorded, how can there be any certainty?

Yes, that is the same coin and the previous seller, well done. Definitely obv 9. Jerry

I would say obverse 9, the second photo of his ad is a little clearer and looks like double incuse lines to the leaf veins, the single raised line veins tend to look narrower in photos. Jerry

There was a very sad case near Lampeter last year where a 10yr old died, due to mum losing control of the car under exactly these circumstances, so it does happen; not a huntsman as far as I’m aware, but certainly a spider. And I dare say from wasps etc entering the car too. Jerry

It’s a beautiful coin. Such a coin is far beyond me, and will remain so unless a legacy comes my way. My currency penny Freeman number requirements mostly look near impossible, those Mike shares plus the 1860 mules and a couple of the 1861 F reverses, and F76. The F76 and mules will be mine eventually. Jerry

Yes, I have seen this misplaced V repair before, a nice clear example. I rather like these squiffy letter and number repairs, but unless an overstrike is with an inappropriate punch, they are not usually given varietal status or attract much increased prices. Do keep looking for them. Jerry

Hard luck, Blake, not a bad coin and a fair price. I had wondered if it was you, I tend to look at bidding histories, when I spotted signal processors, leads and speakers I thought they would be right up your street. Yours will turn up eventually. Jerry

It is worth using “quote” to draw an individuals attention the the reply as they get a notification, but most like me read every new posting, there is so much of interest outside the penny field too (I likewise specialise in bronze pennies). Jerry