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Did anybody here win the F41 1862 halfpenny date or 1913 F176 that finished on EBay yesterday? I was underbidder for the F176, but I didn’t push the boat out as I have one similar. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1862-VICTORIA-BUN-HEAD-PENNY-CLEAR-DATE-SEE-IMAGES-FOR-EXACT-VARIETY/401864763463?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R71-Great-Britain-1913-Penny-PCGS-MS-64-Red-Brown/312755247556?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 More for Richards pages, if not already noted. Jerry

I’m pretty much with you on this, I think a long game is being played here. All that happened last week was entirely predictable to Boris and his advisors, from the need to purge the party of remainers who were never going to respond positively to his threats, to the General Election vote(s) which he already knew/knows he can’t win at this stage. He is not a fool despite what some like to think, and Cummings and his team will have ‘war gamed’ the way to Brexit ad infinitum. So I feel there has to be purpose, whether influencing the electorate or some other ‘cunning plan’ I don’t know. I think the only genuine surprise was the resignation of his brother, which must have hurt. I think we have an interesting two months ahead. And as an aside, can you, as one of the twenty-eight, use your veto against acceptance of your own extension request? I don’t know. I was rather disappointed to see this topic resurrected, it will only lead to further bitterness. But, like others, I find the topic difficult to ignore. Jerry

Beautiful. I once found two dobunnic silver units on one day- on a ‘worked out” Roman site- and I have had one other silver and a Thames Valley gold plated but nice stater; never a full gold but it will come. Not plentiful in Wales where my old permissions are. But I have had a couple of hammered gold, and hundreds of silver hammies. Jerry

Well, yes, now I look at it (which I hadn’t previously) it looks much more an F29. They haven’t done well with this batch of pennies, at least three are plain wrong or dubious in the extreme. Jerry

Sorry Sword, but I don’t agree with the definitions above, particularly with “conservation’ which almost never involves removing an original surface, but entails removing foreign matter, contaminants, corrosion products etc to reveal the original surface and possibly with archaeological finds for example treatment to prevent/ deactivate future or active corrosion eg rust, verdigris, treatment which may be physical, chemical or by environmental control. The act of repairing damage, a mount mark, piercing, scratch etc, would be better described as restoration, in that the actual object is in some way modified to ‘enhance’ it’s appearance, albeit that the intention is usually to return it visually to a previous state. What we generally refer to as cleaning of coins does usually involve removing something from the original surface, be it by abrasion using polishes (or wire wool or sandpaper for example -shudder-) or by chemically as with silver dip; some might argue the latter only involves removal of corrosion products ie tarnish, but in effect dipping facilitates metal loss by removing a protective coating and exposing environmentally reactive fresh metal which then in turn will tarnish over time. There is certainly overlap between the above and room for interpretative differences. Personally I do advocate coin conservation where necessary, for example removal of acidic oils and waxes to prevent future corrosion, or removal of active verdigris to keep the damage localised. And I see so many slabbed coins with dirty, gunged up letters or designs- there is no point placing the coin and the causes of corrosion in the same ‘protected’ environment. Jerry

Sorry Richard. And I don’t think you’ve added my (second) 1875 “cannonball” , I posted it under “penny acquisition “ a few weeks ago (August 2nd) , only VG but the variety clear in the hand. Jerry

Ah yes, I can see it’s been added, “provenance unknown” with better pictures. So these rarities are still getting through on EBay, a bargain for the purchaser. Jerry

Is this an F21 that sneaked through on EBay last month? It made £200 with bids from two observant buyers, but not bad for its condition. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1861-Victoria-One-penny-coin-/133094388200?hash=item1efd0b31e8%3Ag%3AXmQAAOSwR65dEVrX&nma=true&si=DdojMo52YJNrwvqp2bCQV3NHeUA%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 If so, one for Richards site. I think I must have written it off as obverse 4 when glancing through the new arrivals. Or am I just being dense? (You don’t need to answer that!) Jerry

It certainly looks like a George 11 Irish halfpenny, but the pics are too blurred to confirm the date. You will need coins of much better quality than these before a numismatic auction house would touch them. These would be lucky to attract a bid on EBay- do a search for example on “George Irish Halfpenny ‘ and press ‘completed listings’ to get an idea of what sells, and for how much. If you do have better quality coins, try to post improved pictures and we can advise if they are auction house quality. Jerry

That is wonderful Pete- is it the Colin Cooke one?

First point - because Mike is known on this forum primarily for collecting pennies not threepence - I think Rob intended a gentle joke. Second point- yes, almost anyone can become a member of Facebook- that’s their business model, and what has made them so wealthy- but that is not the same as having full access to an individual site or group, which depends on how the site is set up. For example, a group might be set up as “open” in which case anybody can gain access, or “closed”, which means you can apply to join for access, which may be granted or refused by a group moderator, or indeed managed by a “bot” if so set up. An individuals site likewise may not be fully accessible unless you ask to become a “friend”, and this status is granted. Or a site may be secret, and not show up on Facebook searches, then you would have to be known to and approached by a site moderator and invited to join. Who knows, there may be other options too, to cater for paedophiles, terrorists, the Mafia, the Secret Services , the KGB - indeed whoever Facebook thinks it can make money out of. Or am I just being too cynical? Jerry

Is lot 1978 really an F28? Looks a lot like an F20 to me. Jerry

Yes, a nice selection and a couple of temptations. But I remain dubious about the 1862/1, if it is an overstrike it is definitely a different die from the examples thus far described. Jerry

The exergue reads; ERECTED TEMP HEN 6 ie the building portrayed was erected in Henry VI’s reign. Jerry

Over the last four months, the only one that still shows is the 1904 ( listed by forum member Coinery ). I tend to photograph new acquisitions in batches, hence intervals between posting on these pages. Jerry

Here are a few of my recent acquisitions, the F169 is the Baldwins one, cheap enough at a bit over £500, the rest are from Ebay, a tenner for the Gouby X, less for the 1875 cannonball and 1860 Gouby G with very close colon dots. And I always said date spacings didn't float my boat but was tempted by the 1904 with 4 over tooth -just about- it is not exactly the same as the variation shown in Groom but either way seems scarce. Jerry

I’m still going with normal 3. The angle between the top serif and the diagonal is just not tight enough- the inner angle of the (large) top serif on its right and the angle of the diagonal should be closely aligned. And the lower half of the 3 is too indistinct to prove anything. I can’t see this coin gaining traction......except possibly on LCA, where the 1862/1 they are touting looks dubious in the extreme to me. Jerry

It’s so difficult with the wear. The most focussed picture is the top one, and on the basis of that one I would say normal 3. But the less focussed pics could suggest a narrow 3. On balance I would say no, with the proviso that I might change my mind in the hand with angled lighting and a loupe! Jerry

Yes, the P is to a tooth. The narrower rim also confirms reverse A. Jerry

Yes, it’s a decent example. I had spotted it too a couple of weeks ago- I think it did a complete cycle without a bite- but as I have a better example and am SKINT I left it. It was very good of Pete to think of another member here, HAT OFF Pete well done. Jerry

I think this may be a Friday afternoon coin too. MS 67 with all those bag marks? I wouldn’t want it. And the starting price at a European auction is 750 Euro. Fat chance. https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3295&lot=8765 Jerry