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Indeed! And free vendors fingerprint on the obverse from taking the photo! You can’t treat a proof like that! Jerry

I can’t tell without the reverse, that is different from F6; F1, F6 and F7 all use (Gouby) obverse C though F6 is much the commonest. Jerry

I am looking at photos of mine, may be clearer in the hand. But as the linear circle can be prone to die fill the proximity of beads to bust is probably a more definitive indicator. Jerry

Sadly the ‘photobucket’ logo appears over the vital area on your coin, from what I can see the linear circle does seem to fade out early but the beaded border does not touch the base of the bust as it should on C1 so could just be a C with die fill. Interestingly both my F7’s are probably the same as yours, but my F6’s have the longer linear circle on the left as per the obv C description. Jerry

Yes, Neil Paisley, he now works with Baldwins but I think is still a director of CC. Jerry

I have on occasion left the coin overnight with a pool of Verdicare over the verdigris, this helps it soften and does not affect lustre or toning. Prodding the verd with a sharpened cocktail stick periodically is essential to free up the softened verd. I occasionally use a needle under the binocular microscope. Jerry

Did anybody here spot this F32 at auction a week before Xmas? Sold as 1861 penny, but somebody else noticed it as it hammered at a grand, £1280 with costs, so not cheap but as nice an example as I've seen for sale in recent years despite a few marks. As usual the reverse F is weak, must have been a very worn die. Another for your list, Richard. Jerry

VICTOEIA? Looks good to me, though I know nothing about farthings. Jerry

Well done, the description has changed, now just “unresearched variety”. Jerry

It’s “Stab it with their steely knives, but they just can’t kill the beast”.........the “check out any time....’ quote above is correct, and very appropriate in that the EU will do everything it can to make leaving difficult, understandable self preservation but change will be driven from within over time due to both external and internal factors. Quite frankly we are better off in the long term ploughing our own furrow. I am amazed how the predominant political arguments seem to centre on wealth, income , future affluence or otherwise when the issues of democracy and self determination are so much more important. We are so lucky to be able to argue our case in a peaceful fashion, one has only to look around the globe where populations have lost tens or hundreds of thousands of lives often unsuccessfully fighting for basic democracy and freedom from tyranny and external control. They never seem to so willing to die for the pound in their pocket. Jerry

While we’re on books............🤫 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Story-Brexit-Ladybirds-Grown-Ups/dp/024138656X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543924032&sr=8-1&keywords=Brexit Jerry

Reported, and vendor messaged. Coins are not their thing, they may just be in ignorance . Jerry

I agree, astounding! I have sent the vendor a further message , awaiting reply. I have reported it and would encourage others to do likewise. Jerry

I sent him a polite message too, after reading this. No reply, but it looks as though the weight of criticism has come to bear and he has pulled the coin. Jerry

Thanks Stu, I’m glad someone was prepared to follow-up my post and I certainly agree regarding eye appeal. Not known to many on this forum, but I do also collect some hammered (over a hundred Henry III and fifty odd Lizzie I pennies, and probably into 3 figs of other issues and denominations including a few gold as well as detector finds in the hundreds) and am used to seeing “VF for issue” and “weak areas as struck” type comments in the catalogues. My point being that particularly for certain issues (for example from say William II until Henry II post Tealby) wear is often considered seperately from strike, which is how it should be. This does not mean that the desirability is not adversely affected by poor strike especially where cleanly struck coins are freely available, but that features such as poor strike, splits and cracks, perforations and plugs etc merit separate comment to wear, a bit like the ‘details’ comments on slabbed coins. I have yet to see a grading system where points are deducted for percentage of poor strike, filled or worn die, poorly centred flan etc though that is not to say one does not exist. It seems logical to me (though I accept I may be in isolation) that if the cleanly struck parts of the op’s coin grade NVF, then so must the coin as a whole - the coin appears flat, limiting differential wear- in that the poorly struck parts are also almost certainly unworn, and this is where the other descriptors that determine desirability come in. I stick by my original comment, that this coin is better than fine, but with non wear related issues. Jerry

Looks like HENRIC DI GRA REX ANG to me. Jerry

And the Gouby G.

A couple of Ebay finds from last week, both from the same vendor! The F763 was £29.95 and the 1861 Gouby G was £4.95. The latter would be an addition to Richard's 'Rarest Pennies' site. There appear to be at least three 1861 Gouby G die pairings on the site, this coin matching a couple of the other listed coins. Whether the actual staging of Gouby G can be determined is doubtful due to wear. While referencing the 'Rarest Pennies' site, where has the F38 gone? Too many of them? I did spot an unrecognised F763 at the Midland Coin Fair last weekend, but only about VG so I left it as it was from the same pair of dies as mine. Jerry

Obviously I have to bow to superior knowledge here, but I remain puzzled. I had thought that the strike of a coin was in essence an additional factor in overall desirability of a coin to the grading, and that grade was a reflection of the 'wear and tear' the struck coin had received in circulation, and on that basis I consider it relatively unworn. To illustrate this I have prepared a fantasy coin from the well struck section of the reverse of this one. I would grade this compilation as at least good fine for wear, anticipating it might even be a little better in the hand. Where did I go wrong? Jerry

I wish I’d paid more attention to the obverse type. From the pics the LCA specimen does look other than Freeman 4, the problem being the low grade of the coin. Although there is the small blobby protrusion under the leg of the R on both this coin and Gouby’s, it doesn’t seem to me under high magnification to be a definitive overstrike, though of course possible; all I can say is that the appearance of the R matches Gouby’s. Until a high grade coin turns up I will be a little doubtful that this overstrike actually exists, and possibly even then. Jerry

Had a close look at some of the pennies today, it is my opinion that the F10 E over P is just a complex die flaw. The R over B in REG is probably OK and the die number 2 is nice. Nothing for me to spend my increasingly stretched resources on this time though. Jerry

I would grade well above fine, perhaps near VF but slightly impaired by the areas of weak strike. Nice coin. Jerry

Thanks Pete. I cant say I’m that impressed with the supposed obverse 10 E over P from the photos; has anyone actually seen it in the flesh? Looks like a die crack in the images. Lovely 1863 die number 2, way out of my league. Will try and view them at the Midland. Jerry

Excellent, the instructions are online, the key is time and repeated prodding of the verd with sharpened cocktail stick or similar. I have left a bead of Verdicare on the coin overnight without detriment and it doesn’t affect lustre or colour. The instructions do suggest leaving a protective film over the coin, I don’t do this, just dab the coin with water or acetone when I have finished. It works slowly but is very controllable. Use all the magnification you can for precise prodding. Do not use on proof coins. Jerry

Hmm, I got mine mail order from the USA, wasn’t cheap but I don’t remember it being extortionate. You really only need a few drops for local treatment, I will look around for a suitable container; or entrust me with the coin and I’ll see what I can do! 🧐. Jerry